VideoHere Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 this is really enlightening to me...... here's steve perry singing the blues...i don't know, there's something missing here. i doubt steve would have made it as a blues singer....... his tone just doesn't have any balls to it, and this is not a criticism at all, it's just the way his voice plays out. it's way too sterile....like it doesn't match up with the music.....or maybe it's just me.... 29:10 - 35.41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXs5EBud_H4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 This goes pretty good with the thread on Tone problems in the higher range. You can either stck to the music that fits your voice or you can work on changing your tone. This also leads to the question "Can a person with the tone of Steve Perry acheive a tone like Lou Gramm, Michael Bolton or Howlin Wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabba_treads Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wow.. Technically that was a stunning performance BUT, that being said, IMO Steve sounded a bit too polished for the song. His tone was just too thin, reedy, and clean here to pull off such an earthy gritty blues song. I LOVE Steve Perry for what he does and I think he a bit too worshiped by some people, but he does have his flaws and its right in your video. I think he can pull off a bluesy song like this one better, Sam Cooke was supposed to be one of his major influences and it shows here. He sounds better as a light pop rock/jazz R&b type vocalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 This goes pretty good with the thread on Tone problems in the higher range. You can either stck to the music that fits your voice or you can work on changing your tone. This also leads to the question "Can a person with the tone of Steve Perry acheive a tone like Lou Gramm, Michael Bolton or Howlin Wolf. ah, buddy, this is an excellent question and one where we can really have a juicy productive conversation. i think a lot, a lot has to do with your mental approach. here's where i'm going to get flack, but i believe to sing like lou gramm or michael bolton, steve walsh, or these punchier singers you have to really gear up mentally for that kind of singing. accept that it's all about maximizing resonance or going overboard a bit and learning to really sing with a lot of force and power, but a managed force and power not just wailing and belting with no finesse or control. it accepting and wanting the physicality to kick in, not singing guarded or tentative but all out when it's called for because the support takes the brunt of it. the support becomes, in essence, a sort of shock absorber.... bolton has said a few times that he sought to sing that way because he knew a lot of other singers couldn't or wouldn't do it. he said he worked so hard on his voice. some guys i've read about that sing like that have said they found the best qualities came out in them when were a little pushed or loud. i mean lou especially, if you study him as much as i have, you can clearly see the effort that goes into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 here's mike reno...you can see the whole body involvement and years later (except for a lower key) he sounds great still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I don't know Bob, I was kind of impressed with his blues "feel". I thought he sounded very comfortable in that genre. His phrasing and sense of timing...his musicianship continues to astonish me. It is a higher and thinner tone that many male blues singers don't have, so from that perspective you're right. He is definitely not "belting" on this clip, which many blues singers would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Validar Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I have to agree with Geno. He sounds great here. Sure, it lacks the grit or growl many people would like delivered with their blues, but I believe he succeeded in emoting, as he always has. Neal's guitar solo in that song was really good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Neal was awesome, wringing blood, sweat, and tears out of a Les Paul Standard with humbuckers. Simply sublime. Steve Perry can sing the blues, just fine. He just has a higher voice than a lot of blues singers. One of my favorites, Robert Cray has kind of a clean voice. I got to see him and Buddy Guy at the Winstar Casino Event Center in Thackerville, Ok, in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 It's just you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 This goes pretty good with the thread on Tone problems in the higher range. You can either stck to the music that fits your voice or you can work on changing your tone. This also leads to the question "Can a person with the tone of Steve Perry acheive a tone like Lou Gramm, Michael Bolton or Howlin Wolf. Yes but no one could ever sound like howlin wolf but howlin wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 here's mike reno...you can see the whole body involvement and years later (except for a lower key) he sounds great still. Mike reno couldn't wipe steve Perry's butt on an easy poop day;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Well Steve Perry kind of often sounded like a girl so that last thing I would say is that he sang with balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 just differences of opinion folks...that's all....no one is saying perry isn't great. dan, that's your opinion. maybe not with stratospheric range, but mike is great in his own way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Mike reno sang plenty high but it's a technique forum not a what singer do you like to listen too. If course everyone has opinions on who they like. That's what " bobs magic moments is for";). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I don't know Bob, he blew me away from the first line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 i guess a lot more of you guys liked him than i thought would for singing blues. it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 He just sounds free and open you tend to go for more of the poop your pants sound ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 i like to sing managing more pressure and maximizing the resonance. if that's what you call the "poop sound" then i'll join the ranks of the poopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Is that what you do and steve perry doesn't? How do you know this do you have a secret pressure gauge reader that we don't know about . Just spouting out words like pressure and managing without any science or facts is silly buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Is that what you do and steve perry doesn't? How do you know this do you have a secret pressure gauge reader that we don't know about . Just spouting out words like pressure and managing without any science or facts is silly buddy. dan, do you see anywhere in these posts where i'm comparing myself to steve perry? can go about producing tone the way i would like to and that feels right for me? is that okay with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 i like to sing managing more pressure and maximizing the resonance. if that's what you call the "poop sound" then i'll join the ranks of the poopers. You said it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Ya'll may sing like poop but I smell like it. \m/ There are all kinds of voices in blues. From fat rattle of Louis Armstrong, to the screetchy scratchiness of Buddy Guy, to the lean and clean sound of Robert Cray to the dopey sound of Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band, such as "Blue on Black." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmike092 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Is that what you do and steve perry doesn't? How do you know this do you have a secret pressure gauge reader that we don't know about . Just spouting out words like pressure and managing without any science or facts is silly buddy. i think hes just simply saying he likes the more intense kind of singing and judging by his later post it wasnt in comparison to steve perry. as for the pressure gauge reader well he clearly doesn't, but you can obviously sing with some varying intensities, and more intensity=more pressure. im still learning support, but as for the poop sensation i find trying to mimic that constricts my throat. but singing louder and intense definitely does involve strong muscles contractions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 geran and dan.....you know what i think? i think one day you are going to find out that a lot of what i'm saying is right. you see if you "poop" as you call it and end up constricting...you just aren't pooping right. i keep saying that bearing down actually releases the throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 I disagree. I think if it was the case, you would be able to reproduce it doing so. The thing is, I always read the "how to do XXX" but I never get to actually hear XXX :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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