just started lessons with TVS

[heavymetal_avenger]

hey guys im new here, i just started taking skype lessons with Robert.

ive been practising a few vocal courses including the 4 pillars and jaimes book and a few others.

but more than anything i just needed somebody to take a look at what i was doin and help me one on one. all the practicing in the world wasn't gonna get me anywhere.

i took some sls lessons and they didnt fair too well for me (it was the only vocal teacher locally basically), wasnt what i was looking for at all and clashed with everything in those vocal courses. i wasnt looking to sing backstreet boys, as im a full throtal rocker into that old hard rock style.

i just had one lesson with Rob so far, it was great. im really trying to familiarize myself with twang now.

ive been having a bit of trouble with it cause im new to it. but realize that twang is what is gonna take me to the next level up closer to where i want to be.

if anyone has any suggestions as how to twang properly or any sensations i should be aware of, please let me know.

i quack like a duck, but when you twang how much pressure or contraction should you feel around the larynx area?

thanks dudes

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hey guys im new here, i just started taking skype lessons with Robert.

ive been practising a few vocal courses including the 4 pillars and jaimes book and a few others.

but more than anything i just needed somebody to take a look at what i was doin and help me one on one. all the practicing in the world wasn't gonna get me anywhere.

i took some sls lessons and they didnt fair too well for me (it was the only vocal teacher locally basically), wasnt what i was looking for at all and clashed with everything in those vocal courses. i wasnt looking to sing backstreet boys, as im a full throtal rocker into that old hard rock style.

i just had one lesson with Rob so far, it was great. im really trying to familiarize myself with twang now.

ive been having a bit of trouble with it cause im new to it. but realize that twang is what is gonna take me to the next level up closer to where i want to be.

if anyone has any suggestions as how to twang properly or any sensations i should be aware of, please let me know.

i quack like a duck, but when you twang how much pressure or contraction should you feel around the larynx area?

thanks dudes

hey, i see no one got any reply out to you. if you want to hear a singer singing with a bunch of twang

check out this glen hughes cover song i just found. a great guitar solo too!!!

listen for the ahh's, the twaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang so skillfully used.

[heavymetal_avenger]

hey man thanks a lot for the response and song. yeah glenn hughes kicks ass!

i totally got the hang of twang now, im making some awesome progress with just my second lesson so far.

[Robert Lunte]

Hi.

when you begin to twang, for most students, they dont contract hard enough because they have been taught to fear the voice. Especially if its from one of these "balance the larynx all the time" camps... this teaches fear. The teaches the student singer to not get after it and drive theri voice, take some risks and learn what the performance envelope is. As you continue to get better at twang, you will begin to realize that twanging for extreme phonations can actually be pretty assertive. But be careful to not twang so hard that it sounds quacky. Twanging does not mean sound quacky... although sometimes we will quack like a duck to get into the feeling of twang, it doesnt mean your going to sing like a duck.

Anyways... your on the right path now... just pay the price of practice and you'll be fine.

Is this Andrew?

[analog]

Bob,

phenomenal example of twang in the voice! You can hear how modified the vowels are and how little effort is required at the fold level. Very cool.

Edit:

here's another BIG voiced guy using twang to facilitate the upper mid's(Donny Hathaway certainly not being disrespected w/ this version):

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Bob,

phenomenal example of twang in the voice! You can hear how modified the vowels are and how little effort is required at the fold level. Very cool.

Edit:

here's another BIG voiced guy using twang to facilitate the upper mid's(Donny Hathaway certainly not being disrespected w/ this version):

thanks buddy. chaka khan is another on the female side.

[chele1000]

so much undiscovered talent out there! That guy is awesome! (the analog example I'm talking about) thanks for sharing...I will now go check out Chaka Khan with a different perspective. :)

[Snax]

Oh my God that Marc Broussard is AMAZING!!! Incredible tone, range, SOUL and power. I'm blown away! Just completely blown away! :cool:

[heavymetal_avenger]

Hi.

when you begin to twang, for most students, they dont contract hard enough because they have been taught to fear the voice. Especially if its from one of these "balance the larynx all the time" camps... this teaches fear. The teaches the student singer to not get after it and drive theri voice, take some risks and learn what the performance envelope is. As you continue to get better at twang, you will begin to realize that twanging for extreme phonations can actually be pretty assertive. But be careful to not twang so hard that it sounds quacky. Twanging does not mean sound quacky... although sometimes we will quack like a duck to get into the feeling of twang, it doesnt mean your going to sing like a duck.

Anyways... your on the right path now... just pay the price of practice and you'll be fine.

Is this Andrew?

hey Rob whats goin on dude, yeah its Andrew. i totally got the hang of twang tho, this post was before the second lesson lol.

and I'm doing well with low head tones as well after the second lesson. im pretty ecstatic about my progression so far.

i progressed more in 2 weeks than i did in 2 years.

thanks for all ur responses guys.

rock on guys

[heavymetal_avenger]

check out this tune

it kicks ass, good vocals

random...i know lol

[analog]

@Snax and Chele:

Marc is an absolute freak of nature! Good Louisiana boy. He's famous enough(to make a good living)...but never got that BIG hit. Still a baby though.

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@Snax and Chele:

Marc is an absolute freak of nature! Good Louisiana boy. He's famous enough(to make a good living)...but never got that BIG hit. Still a baby though.

folks, i'm not saying the marc singer isn't good by any means, and with all due respect to your opinions, just help me to understand why you find him amazing...what specifically made him go up to an amazing rating?

i'd really benefit to know so "hit me between the eyes" (not literally, lol) with why.

[analog]

For me it's his timbre/texture and command of the genre. It's a ballsy voice but not overdone(IMO.)

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For me it's his timbre/texture and command of the genre. It's a ballsy voice but not overdone(IMO.)

got cha, anyone else on what made you view him as awesome? snax, michelle?

[joshual]

Marc broussard is awesome! i'm very happy to see that in the forum people are more and more interrested in soul/rock singing tone :D:D

[Snax]

got cha, anyone else on what made you view him as awesome? snax, michelle?

He has TONE galore and an outstanding sense of phrasing and emotion. I find that too many "soul singers" throw in too many vocal gymnastics and ruin the songs. Marc does enough to wow you without overdoing it. I'm also impressed by the bare bones production and you can really hear his control and dynamics.

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He has TONE galore and an outstanding sense of phrasing and emotion. I find that too many "soul singers" throw in too many vocal gymnastics and ruin the songs. Marc does enough to wow you without overdoing it. I'm also impressed by the bare bones production and you can really hear his control and dynamics.

thanks for the reply snax

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Marc broussard is awesome! i'm very happy to see that in the forum people are more and

more interrested in soul/rock singing tone :D:D

i'm a fan of great bluesy, soulful singing too joshual

i guess this guy is what i would call the "newer generation" of soul and blues.....

interestingly, and just my opinion, i just wasn't feelin' it

....here's one i am feelin' it's more gutteral "old school"

i love her!!!

[Snax]

i'm a fan of great bluesy, soulful singing too joshual

i guess this guy is what i would call the "newer generation" of soul and blues.....

interestingly, and just my opinion, i just wasn't feelin' it

....here's one i am feelin' it's more gutteral "old school"

i love her!!!

SEXY!!! :)

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SEXY!!!

oh yeah!!!

[analog]

i'm a fan of great bluesy, soulful singing too joshual

i guess this guy is what i would call the "newer generation" of soul and blues.....

interestingly, and just my opinion, i just wasn't feelin' it

....here's one i am feelin' it's more gutteral "old school"

i love her!!!

Bob,

Susan's great. But I gotta say that Marc is about the furthest thing from "newer generation" soul He's about as "old school" as it gets. My only knock on him is that he's basically a Donny Hathaway knockoff(no small feat by any stretch.) Donny is considered by a LOT of musicians(WAY BETTER THAN ME) to be the end all be all of soul.

Here's his version(circa 1972):

Of course....if it ain't your thing...it ain't your thing :P

[joshual]

Just love the voice of susan!!! One day i'll try to record myself on "a song for you" by Donne Hathaway... one day lol.

Back on the technique, i hear one common things to all the soul singers. It's the really open throat sensation i have when i'm hearing them. Raspy tone, high notes but not at all like in the hard rock/metal singing. The throat seems to be always wide opened et the sound really full. And of course always the raspy tone.

I may have an idea to get this tone but not sure, tell me what you think: Always have the tongue fully relaxed and very low except the back, soft palate high, smile....

Are there any souls singers here to help lol.

I also asked on the cvi forum for this song:

They told me curbing on lwoest notes (if we can call that low notes lol) and neutral on high parts. What do you think?

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Bob,

Susan's great. But I gotta say that Marc is about the furthest thing from "newer generation" soul He's about as "old school" as it gets. My only knock on him is that he's basically a Donny Hathaway knockoff(no small feat by any stretch.) Donny is considered by a LOT of musicians(WAY BETTER THAN ME) to be the end all be all of soul.

Here's his version(circa 1972):

Of course....if it ain't your thing...it ain't your thing

analog b.t.w. (what's your first name)?

no man. i agree on donny hathaway all the way.....sad stuff with him too. i guess for me personally m.b. just wasn't "wowing" me..it a personal opinion , that's all.

"where is the love" i cover in karaoke.

t.t. darby? now that guy "wows" me, buddy guy is another, and you guys turned me on to richie kotzen...that's another!

[Snax]

Thanks so much for turning us on to Ritchie Kotzen! Damn that boy can SING! ( And drum, play guitar and bass etc!)