Khassera Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Singing quietly in full voice: Do I just keep everything same with the technique (everything "from the neck up")? Is it supposed to feel like I'm supporting about 500x more than I would singing loud with a full voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You have to concentrate a little more on the vowels and how you modify them because you are changing the intensity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 You have to concentrate a little more on the vowels and how you modify them because you are changing the intensity Thanks for the answer! Is that about it? Does the glottal compression etc. stay the same? (rather, there's no different technique involved other than adjusting to the air pressure change?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantando Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Does the glottal compression etc. stay the same? (rather, there's no different technique involved other than adjusting to the air pressure change?) There should not be any air pressure change whatsoever. It seems counterintuitive, but it's the truth. I wish so badly that someone could have told me that when I was younger! What you're after is mainly about arytenoid control (the two cartilage structures at the one end of the vocal folds that control pitch and other things). They rotate slightly to make the vocal folds vibrate together at either their full thickness or just the very thinest edge, which is what accounts for "head voice" and "chest voice". Finding mixes between those extremes requires some fine-tuned control. Try singing with "cry", the feeling of actually crying, and maintain it intensely and consistently throughout. Using "oo" and "oh" vowels are generally easiest for this. Let me know if this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Korzec Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Singing quietly in full voice: Do I just keep everything same with the technique (everything "from the neck up")? Is it supposed to feel like I'm supporting about 500x more than I would singing loud with a full voice? No and no. What changes most is the vocal fold mass - you have to lighten or "thin out" to make a softer sound without killing yourself but you also don't let go of too much weight, so it's a fine line. Same with cord closure - relaxing the closure a bit makes this easier, but if the glottis is too open in the wrong way you'll just flip. But anyways to maintain full voice you should feel the same amount of support as when you sing in full voice (maybe a tad more, but not even close to 500x more). HOWEVER (dun dun dun!) If you've been singing in full voice at full volume INCORRECTLY by not anchoring with the lower core and getting your stability from straining something else instead (very very common at first), attempting to sing in full voice at a lighter volume WILL make you feel like you have to support about 3x harder. News flash, that's how it's supposed to be with your louder singing too!!!! That's what allows you to take out that neck strain and remove your range ceiling and all that ugly stuff. What you might want to do is spend some time continue to practicing the full voice sensation lightly - even allow it to get falsettoy SOUNDING but never lose the FEELING you are connected to the chest voice via the support - this will help you develop a sense of how much support you really need to sing any dynamic level with freedom without ever having to flip or feel a change of registration to get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Korzec Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 on low volumes you can use ANY vowel, is only when raising the volume that you will have to modify. This is true as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well that's true if your going in and out if registers but within the same register ir full voice you are dealing with the pitch the vowel and the intensity as well,so you have to negotiate it differently. As far as cord closure it should stay the same and your breath control will stay the same yet feel harder to deal with, Or everyone would be able to sing softer as well. You could always watch my video on singing to a baby as well. The technique does not change just managed slightly less intense this is how you will learn a crescendo from quietly to loudly(messa di voce if your italian to place the voice in one spot and raise the volume or intensity) If you change the tech your messing with the natural placement and breathing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Well that's true if your going in and out if registers but within the same register ir full voice you are dealing with the pitch the vowel and the intensity as well,so you have to negotiate it differently. As far as cord closure it should stay the same and your breath control will stay the same yet feel harder to deal with, Or everyone would be able to sing softer as well. You could always watch my video on singing to a baby as well. The technique does not change just managed slightly less intense this is how you will learn a crescendo from quietly to loudly(messa di voce if your italian to place the voice in one spot and raise the volume or intensity) If you change the tech your messing with the natural placement and breathing I actually just watched it before returning here and it made a lot of sense. Thanks, I'll keep practicing like you demoed. Owen, thanks, that makes sense. I might be overcompressing or just using too much air pressure which in turn causes a need for more "holding back." Cantando, I'll practice the crying sensation too. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChumelsVanCogle Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 if you want to sing softly in full voice, make the onset more towards the head voice function and then figure out how much power to add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneyspills Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Practice, practice, practice keeping the back of your throat open when you sing. Always inhaling so it feels like you are beginning to yawn sets you up for good singing. Another way to describe this method of inhalation is "taking a breath of astonishment." You're seeing the Grand Canyon for the first time, and your astonishment causes you to breathe with a feeling of a silent "ah." Acquire this habit through practice and awareness of its great value. Here's a video to help you sing better: Singing Exercises to Improve Tone and Range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu11170 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Hi, For myself, I have found that the quieter I want to sing, the more I have to support. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Like Dan said. I would add that, if you find yourself having to force too much on breath support, probably what you are doing is not very efficient and you are wasting energy without actually doing what is necessary, may be a matter of organizing it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Song examples and style you are going for makes a difference in suggestions to help. Take a brief view of CVT those "Modes" are geared towards volume. What they call neutral and Curbing are geared towards quieter singing. edit: Maybe you can guess that other program.....I am not promoting it. just using the modes to give a sense of what I am suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 i would just like to add that singing quieter is a relative term.....your quieter might be another singer's medium. in most cases the quieter you onset (begin) the quicker you need to shift resonance (bridge). it's also important that you begin in chest voice and return to chest voice without getting louder at the top. holding on to sufficient fold closure with little volume means the fold edges need to adduct on their edges and this can feel like you are holding on for dear life in the beginning. you are learning to bring the gap between a disconnected falsetto and a lighty connected head voice closer together and without adding a little pout or cry to gain some semblance of adduction, it can be very frustrating at first. very frustrating.... daniel has been helping me try to achieve this...i'm not sure about whether or not it will help me, but i'm devoting time to it. addendum: also, a teacher is best for this to make sure you are producing full voiced tones...without a teacher is harder for a beginner. a full voiced, softly sung tone depending on the color can be hard to tell from falsetto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 khassera - I've been working on singing quietly for a while now with great success - but it took a long time because I was used to a fuller voice and more compression. It's mostly about the right balance and just the right amount of compression, and then committing it to memory. But there also must be a bit of muscle building? It was very fatiguing at first - even when doing it perfectly. I struggled for a while. You don't need an incredible amount of support. If everything is in balance you'd be surprised how little support you need. Watching Daniel's support video really helped. Also his video on singing like Jon Bon Jovi is great when he shows how to build up from less intensity. Another set of great exercises are the seth riggs creaky door #14 though #19 - These force you to sing light and connected without strain or tension. I still do these every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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