Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 20, 2014 Administrator Share Posted August 20, 2014 I have repurposed some content from interviews into video format so I can share. Here is a cool Q&A in regards to technique vs coaching... give it a listen, I think you might find it entertaining... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Cool beans, Robert. I have thought there was a difference between a singing teacher and a singing coach, of which you obviously can do both. The teacher, such as you, teaches the techniques, the basis, as you have outlined. And then the coach, such as you can be, helps direct a singer in a certain genre or style. So, at least in my simple mind: vocal technique (usable in a number of genres) = teacher style (a particular genre) = coach. Though I am sure both can overlap in a session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 21, 2014 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2014 Thanks for response Ron. I see technique more related to training the physiology and acoustics of singing to understand and become more physically coordinated and knowledgeable about the artform. Training techniques is a means to prepare the voice to become a" high-performance voice ", to be applied to singing. Coaching is simply working on songs, developing the art. Both are equally important, but the general public doesn't know anything about vocal training techniques. And in their defense, why should they When their only association to singing is listening to the radio and going to concerts. People tend to think a singing lesson is, well..... All about singing! It's only when they enter a high-quality vocal training studio that they understand quickly that great singing requires practice. Practice requires repetition of techniques. Techniques require understanding and knowledge of the physiology and acoustics of singing. The knowledge of the physiology and acoustics of singing requires subject matter experts. teachers and content by which the student can train with such as books and scales. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Jo Estill also made a clear distinction: - Craft - Artistry :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 21, 2014 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes she did, I remember reading that in their workbook. Good point Martin. If I think about it any art form is structured that way it doesn't matter if you're referring to dancing, painting, acting, playing tennis, etc. or occupations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 @Robert Yes, it's applicable to any art form. But as you also pointed out, in regards to singing, some might confuse those two. Actually, it's my experience that people often forget, that the voice is an instrument just like any otther instrument. And it requires technique to learn how to "play it". :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 21, 2014 Author Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2014 @Robert Yes, it's applicable to any art form. But as you also pointed out, in regards to singing, some might confuse those two. Actually, it's my experience that people often forget, that the voice is an instrument just like any otther instrument. And it requires technique to learn how to "play it". Absolutely old friend... I see a rep. point in your future... as a coach, you see this every day, all day long. It becomes one of the primary issues or "hot buttons" you have to communicate 'through' or break through, in regards to potential clients and the market. With so many 'hacks' on YouTube talking circles as well, it makes it even more difficult for people to cut through the noise and get to someone that can really help them in a meaningful way. Thankfully, there are a handful of people and organizations that have real methods to help. There is also a culture that has emerged where people tend to want something for nothing or minimum investment in time and energy. There are a lot of people looking for the "secret technique tip" and think if only one of the teachers could give them the "secret", their speech mode configuration is going to make them sing like DIO... its just so absurd. No people, singing is an athletic endeavor, it involves ear training, muscle strengthening, muscle memory coordination, exotic shaping of the mouth, tongue and larynx. Great singing does not happen in speech mode configurations, once you realize that... you open the door to allow yourself to begin the journey of developing that 'high performance' instrument Martin and I are talking about to sing better... but it takes work! If you think your going to ever sing amazing by just watching free, YouTube teaser content... your not even in the game... I advise, that if you love singing that much and have enough ambition, get a teacher, get a product and start getting serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 @Robert Very well said! We live in a world with easy access to a wealth of information. The new prime skill that people need to develop is to be able to navigate in all that information - which can be quite a challenge. Today it's actually not so much about what you "know" but more about how you can quickly "find" the information you seek. And in relation to our discussion (singing technique/style) - where do you look for the knowledge you need? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Not only is the voice an instument and you need to learn to play it, but you need to build the instrument in the first place. The building includes strengthening muscles, coordinations and proper shaping of the vocal tract. You need to do all of this while you are learning how to play it. That does not even include musical knowledge of what notes to use and where and why you are singing them. Add to that timing and diction, and inflection. More goes into singing than just making pleasant sounds with your vocal folds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 truly great comments going on here men. and after all of this you still have the responsibility to figure out (on your own as well) how does all this play out with your own particular voice...... that's the stage i'm at now....getting to know what works and what doesn't work for myself. i've always said you have to talk to your voice......it listens real well. singing is a lot about courage and trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Thing is, the "quick fix" is there, in plain view. Most especially from all of Robert's free sample vids and tutorials. Pretty much any post by Steven Fraser gives away the "keys to the kingdom" of singing. You wonderful teachers of singing have already given away so much in the free content you have shared. Breath management, vowel use, resonance. Repeat as necessary. Work at it forever. 10,000 hours doesn't mean anything to me. So, those who ask how long it takes to become a good singer should re-evaluate what they are doing. You do something because it is what you must do, not because you are trying to fit into a time table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 22, 2014 Author Administrator Share Posted August 22, 2014 @Robert Very well said! We live in a world with easy access to a wealth of information. The new prime skill that people need to develop is to be able to navigate in all that information - which can be quite a challenge. Today it's actually not so much about what you "know" but more about how you can quickly "find" the information you seek. And in relation to our discussion (singing technique/style) - where do you look for the knowledge you need? Ah-Ha!.... Great question Martin-ski! For me, that knowledge comes from different sources... one such source is through trial and experimentation on the job, with my students. I try new things and then refine the ideas as Im working them with my students. Another sources is from reading books and frankly, this forum. This forum has been the source of a lot of inspiration... mostly, this forum pushes me forward... I owe this forum a lot of credit for making me reconsider my attitude about things and opening the door... Lastly, my knowledge grows from my ability to humble myself from time to time by reaching out to others. Other teachers and colleagues that are smart as well. I don't feel I have to accomplish what I want to accomplish all by myself. I see no problem in teamwork and asking for help once in a while to get it right. There is no shame in asking for help, only failing to do so, because of ego and arrogance. I am smart enough to know that, to be great, it takes a team. I have even consulted with one crazy Danish Dane from Denmark from time to time if you can believe that... :cool: And so... the world keeps spinning... and it tastes like chicken... ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 22, 2014 Author Administrator Share Posted August 22, 2014 truly great comments going on here men. and after all of this you still have the responsibility to figure out (on your own as well) how does all this play out with your own particular voice...... that's the stage i'm at now....getting to know what works and what doesn't work for myself. i've always said you have to talk to your voice......it listens real well. singing is a lot about courage and trust. Cool response Bob. In particular I like the point about courage. For me when it comes to singing, I had to have the courage to listen to my voice, to understand what my voice is and isn't doing, and I have the courage to step up and work on the things that I need to work on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Lastly, my knowledge grows from my ability to humble myself from time to time by reaching out to others. And that one can only admire! Unfortunately a lot of teachers are not willing to do that. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted August 22, 2014 Author Administrator Share Posted August 22, 2014 I have seen first hand experience, the fastest way to kill your credibility and truly... to grow delusional in regards to what you know and understand about training voices, is to refuse to ask questions and challenge your own assumptions. In this business, it is rampant like a plague... Any chance I can take to differentiate myself from all of those people, I'll gladly take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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