D.Starr Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 How to Sing Chandelier by Sia Her channel is full of great breakdowns too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 to me, this is exactly the kind of video and teacher that will end up doing more harm that good. not that she's not knowledgeable but to the beginner watching this, she's basically teaching you to drive a race car, without even teaching you how to shift gears. to me these should labeled advanced singing technique. this whole marketing gimmickry of "do this or be this in no time" is all b.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingnewbie Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Great video, i liked that she didnt play it safe and do an easy - comfortable range - song. Videohere if i like weight lifting and watch a "Squat tutorial" and have back/knee problems next day the logic says The weight was too heavy (for me) My technique was bad (i didnt follow the correct technique showing in the video) The instructor taught a bad technique She did an excellent job in my opinion so the fault, if any, goes to anyone who watches the video and dont know what "some crazy high belting" and other terminology is, also later on she does suggest to watch her other video on belting. From my point of view, nothing to blame her for and props for doing a though song. Also one of the fastest, clear and easy to learn rasp tutorial! Subscribed, thanks a lot D.Starr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 those techniques (to me) are useless without a clear understanding of how the voice actually works and learning some basic fundamentals. she was using vowel mods. on lower notes that didn't require modification but rather articulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingnewbie Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Useless is better than harmful but i still disagree. So learning how to drift (or whatever other technique) with a race car is useless unless you know how the engine actually works or what happens between your right foot pressing the gas pedal and wheels turning? You dont study chemistry behind the pills you take but just because the doctor said so, you do take them. After all she has a ton of basic stuff, if someone who doesnt know these basic stuff watches a difficult song tutorial - which she mentions - has nothing to do with her creating it in first place. I generally like a more loose/darker pronunciation something like irish so i liked/didnt mind the mods, technically wise i dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 it's okay to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingnewbie Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Well, i analyzed my thoughts on our disagreement and if youd like you can do for yours, thats how we can end up with a better revised opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Bob - you're right - this video contains some very advanced techniques and she doesn't go through any basics. This is kind of typical of a singer coming from Musical Theater. My daughter took a musical theater workshop last summer and the voice teacher had them singing some really difficult stuff - in a very high range. And NO basics at all - just sink or swim - belting. You do the best you can with whatever technique you have. I am impressed with this woman in the video and her quirky style. I thought the video was very entertaining and fast paced. She is an excellent singer. When she talks about vowel mods it is not at all the kind of vowel mods we talk about on this forum. She is basically teaching the kind of dialect / vowel shading / pronunciation that Chandelier uses, and then calling it "Vowel Mods". She has mastered Chandeller's style pretty darn well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Starr Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share Posted November 20, 2014 Yeah, she covers the basics in other videos. I must admit the beginner may not know what they're doing, I stumbled upon her from a radio host on BBC Radio 1 sampling snippets from this video and then directly copying her word for word, rather than glazing over the modifications. Spoken, it sounds nothing like the original but sang correctly it does, does that make sense? I like how she says in another video that you don't have to commit to every consonant as long as you hint at it, because they can really cause trouble. She talks about vowel mods here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingnewbie Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Phil, great breakdown of the breakdown video! D.Starr thanks for posting this, i find her videos very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I watched a few of her other vids - they are good. She has a good one on breathing. And great videos breaking down styles and techniques of artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I also really like her channel, she's really good and deliver stuff in a fun and informative way! Thanks for posting. There's a free belting "crash course" that she's having as well. Nothing real new for me, but always nice with some fresh take on old excercises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 well, i checked more of her videos out, and she likes to tense her butt cheeks for high notes and is a firm believer in strong support...she redeemed herself......lol!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Break it down some more: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingnewbie Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Haha!, i found it funny at the beggining and later a bit boring, as for me these terms are somewhat giberish and the whole video kinda useless cause it over-analyses everything. Good idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Haha!, i found it funny at the beggining and later a bit boring, as for me these terms are somewhat giberish and the whole video kinda useless cause it over-analyses everything. Good idea though. The terms being jibberish to you is what makes it useless. It may be over analysing but it gives an idea of how using just one mode to sing in would be boring and useless. We use many modes and STYLES of singing in one song. It also shows that we have choices to make and the ultimate sound and integrity of the song depend on those choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingnewbie Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 The terms being jibberish to you is what makes it useless. It may be over analysing but it gives an idea of how using just one mode to sing in would be boring and useless. We use many modes and STYLES of singing in one song. It also shows that we have choices to make and the ultimate sound and integrity of the song depend on those choices. Even if i understood the terms, it wouldnt more useful, it is a joke to follow up with the "script". If we'd give a singer this guide with the melody to be sung and another singer the audio file to hear and replicate who do you think would have the best result? Give a general guide with few details when needed, flashing for half a second that the singer went from neutral to neutral-medium, give me a break. Thats personal perspective though. To me these things are self explanatory, almost any song contains lots of vocal modes/effects/colours and yes every singer uses many styles and modes in singing whether he knows details or not whether trained with this technique or not. Also i believe that there are/could be certain songs/styles with one mode that are neither boring nor useless, Satisfied Mind by Johnny Cash comes in mind, but im not sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 This is from one specific vocal program that shows how their "Modes" work together. IT is not about HOW to sing. It has a purpose when you know the context and the terms and are following that specific Vocal program. It was broken down this way BECAUSE the students asked for it. I am not arguing with you, it is Jibberish if you do not know and follow that specific program. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 @Singingnewbie Imo, this is no more different than reading sheet music (written representation of music). Or what you'll call the "script". It still amazes me that singing is most often treated "differently" than another instrument. You probably wouldn't find it weird to see a violinist following a "script". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Torres Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Label disease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Starr Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Label disease Erm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 just sing… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 she was using vowel mods. on lower notes that didn't require modification but rather articulation. Yeah, I wonder why she is teaching vowel modification on low notes where they are not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Torres Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Erm? What I mean is that once we start getting caught up in labeling things and applying catchy little names to techniques, or sounds, things get confusing and at times silly. As Daniel said above. Just sing By the way, I should have noted I was referring to the video Martin posted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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