m.i.r. Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Make a new thread ha ha. Well it is impossible to hold back the support properly sitting in a car, my guess because its very hard to use the lower back muscles. Or maybe its because you should be driving singing and focus on driving ha ha. Really just wanted to say the new site looks amazing.. I can see all the hard work you put into it, and how much pride you take in the forum. Its an honor to be a member sir!!! I am saluting right now incase you didnt know lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 don't hold back anything.. support is about breath flow not holding back the breath. Thats like trying to go forward in a car without pressing the gas.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.i.r. Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 True. I will clarify, by hold back I mean to suspend, give the folds time to close. Then give them the air they need(and yes sometimes it askes for alot of compression), but try to leave it to the mind and body. Not just try to blow everything out at once and over load the folds. Your singing shows you do it with how powerful,light and clear your mix is. I prob just used a poor choice of words, since i was just using an excuse to post something ha ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Korzec Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Dan I think of it more like the free exhaling is already implied - it's like riding downhill, gravity helps you (like the elastic recoil of the lungs taking care of the exhale). Except for singing we can't just let the exhale gush out however it wants and expect to sing a phrase nicely just as we can't just drive down steep hills in neutral and expect to remain in control of our exact speed. So to me, often what people call "support" is like using the brake to keep your speed under control. That's one common aspect of it Back to the original topic, one of the best tips I got was simply don't lean your back against the seat. Sit a bit more forward, away from the back of the chair and keep your back straight or even leaning forward slightly and you'll be able to support at least most of your normal capability. Yes focus on driving but as long as you have a route with some nice long straight-ish highway stretches, warming up at the same time during those parts is doable, at least in my experience. It did take me some time to get used to though. Hopefully it goes without saying, but make sure you ease into it with the primary focus on the driving at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.i.r. Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 I just know in car I dont have the fine control I have while either sitting properly or standing. My folds get tired quickly, I use to much weight, and my mix is always causing me issues. I know I over support in sitting as i do in the car. Pretty sure i use alot of upper breathing. I def agree about straightening your back out while sitting in the seat will align you. However, being 6 foot 4, if i straighten out in the car like that, i look like dino off Flintstones, either i need a hole in the roof or my neck has to bend lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Technically, one should not sing while sitting in the car. But I do it anyway. Most of my "free time" is on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Well the air will not gush out if the registration the vowel and the cords are properly adducting and not adducting by force. The reason I dont write in depth and explain every aspect of what I'm saying is im not a great writer so when I write don't hold back I mean don't hold back anything physically because the other principles are in place so yeah do don't hold back anything cause the cords do the adducting process so the air doesn't gush out. If you physically try and. "Hold back " the air you will sound kind of stuffy and like your holing your breath and will not be singing legato and " on the breath" which in turn will keep you from flowing which in turn will make you interrupt your line which in turn will make you have to sort of reset which will make you lose focus. Sorry so many "which in turn" but my grammar sucks. Ok you got all that kapeash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 …. I sing just fine in my car. I feel no difference other than the fact that I'm sitting down, and I feel more "cramped." Standing up I feel more free. I also obviously can't concentrate as much on the technique, but that frees up something else in the mechanism… So I don't "over think" and I end up using what I've ingrained as a secondary focus. So maybe it's actually a good practice to sing sitting down cramped in a ###### Kia Picanto in 4-o-clock traffic ever now and then. I propose thusly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm kinda with Daniel on this. I don't spend much time worrying about slowing air down or trying to drop a deuce while singing. So, to me, it seems like I can sing, regardless of standing or sitting. But maybe there are guys that do have to watch that alignment, maybe at first. This reminds me a little of the debate on whether or not to drink coffee. I drink coffee. Getting up at 4 am and me do not get along. I do it for my job. And I accomplish this by placing the alarm clock in a corner across the room so that I have to physically get out of bed, stand up, and take a few steps to turn it off. Followed by lots of coffee. And many is the time I sing on the way to work, Usually, a capella, working on stuff I am interested in. I almost never listen to the radio in the mornings and usually I will listen on the way home. Not to forget the goofing around we do at work. Everything from Dixie Chicks to Saliva. Either singing along, or reciting the lyrics dead-pan, a la the late comedian, Steve Allen. It gives the phrases a comical meaning. Anyway, so, breathing for singing, I don't know that it has so much to do with legs as it does with your mid-section, if that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Haha, yeah, that's another one. "Don't drink coffee, man, it's a diuretic," and the word "diuretic" is used as some sort of mythical ancient evil. It makes you pee more. Ooooo, scary, soon you'll dry up like a bone. I drink lots of coffee, I sing in my car, I sing with shit posture and I sing with good posture, I practice with good posture always, I hydrate myself well before actual practice sessions always. 80/20... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It´s possible to support just fine sitting down, its just that you have to train... sitting down . About training while driving, I believe I would kill myself if I tried... So I really dont think it´s a good idea. Besides you can´t really focus. And Khassera awesome avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 I go through 15min of warm up exercises every day in my car driving home. No problem with supporting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Not only do I sing while driving at about 75 mph (120 kmh) on the Rayburn Tollway, but I drive a standard transmission. And drink my Diet Coke, which has caffeine in it. "I'm on the highway to hell ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted December 14, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 14, 2014 @ Owen, Its great to see you in here... I used to make fun of practicing in the car... had a chip on my shoulder about it. But then I began to realize, this is just the way our lives our today. People spend a lot of time in the car and if you do the right things, you can actually get some practicing log time done in the car. I call it, "Singercizing"... I just completed a fun video for "Pillars' that goes over about 10 or 12 "Singercizing" techniques you can play with in the car to continue to build strength and coordination. Here are a few: Practice different onsets. Different kinds of semi-occluded phonations; lip trills, resonant tracking, nasal consonants, M2 Pulls; "The Vinnie Set", Dampen & Release Onsets, Calling... or Attack & Release Onsets into Call Register. Lift up / Pull Back bridging to shut down constriction habits. .. and other ideas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.i.r. Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Didnt mean to get everyone in a tissy. Especially you daniel, I was not attacking you what so ever. Also believe me, you wont see a literary piece on someone's wall from me. So no need to include an angry kapeesh in there. I can sing just fine in the car, I just notice I am a little off and not as comfortable. I do all the time, that is why I made this post, I just dont push it as I know am not 100 percent. I actually under support, as i use no rib action at all. So when I lose the back muscles, I dont have that really tight compression I can control with ease. Oh and felipe, when I sit proper and play the piano I can sing just as standing up, its just the way the car makes you slump, takes my back muscles out of the equation. Anyways that is all I am saying about driving while singing, apparently it gets everyone all worked up lol. Oh just a tid bit on diuretic effect. Recent test show it is largely a myth. Though it is true that caffine does effect the hormone that controls bladder action. You would have to drink a crap crap load of caffine to start to counter act the hydration you receive from the drink itself, to actually start to dehydrate you. Or have a monster concentration of caffine, which none of the drinks do. Even soda goes towards your daily hydration levels. Just not as much, since your kidneys have to filter the carbonation and break down the high fructose corn syrup. But thats another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 i was totally messing with ya im east coast guy sometimes dry humor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyL Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I do a lot of lip trills/bubbles or whatever you call them when I'm driving alone. I'm keeping it easy... not the right place to push boundaries IMHO but driving works for an easy workout. Nice new forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.i.r. Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 i was totally messing with ya im east coast guy sometimes dry humor.. I was just making sure, hard to tell reading words. 99 percent of what i say is sarcastic or a joke. Also have skin like a rhino, my only hot button is my children or family (excuding my wife you can say what you want about her ha ha,jk, wait maybe not, I will get back to you on that lol). Plus working in music for as long as i have, def helped thicken the skin. Only way I could find to conquer my earthshattering stage fright. Ha ha i remember my first performance that had anything riding on it at 19. Everyone was confident, my family and friends was there. Watch my boy he will be the one shredding on the keys and guitar. At the end i was a step son, and was being talked to about possible other career options ha. I am pretty sure there was a 12 measure run on the keys that i didnt hit one right note, nor even on time. I just spaced out by the first 20 mins, watched myself suck from third party view. Damn sucks to be that guy....oh yeah right...damn.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.i.r. Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 i was totally messing with ya im east coast guy sometimes dry humor.. I was just making sure, hard to tell reading words. 99 percent of what i say is sarcastic or a joke. Also have skin like a rhino, my only hot button is my children or family (excuding my wife you can say what you want about her ha ha,jk, wait maybe not, I will get back to you on that lol). Plus working in music for as long as i have, def helped thicken the skin. Only way I could find to conquer my earthshattering stage fright. So I was kinda surprised if you got your feathers ruffled that easy. Though your quote about not needing "support" once you get free layrnx function is quite an interesting thought. Ha ha i remember my first performance that had anything riding on it at 19. Everyone was confident, my family and friends was there. Watch my boy he will be the one shredding on the keys and guitar. At the end i was a step son, and was being talked to about possible other career options ha. I am pretty sure there was a 12 measure run on the keys that i didnt hit one right note, nor even on time. I just spaced out by the first 20 mins, watched myself suck from third party view. Damn sucks to be that guy....oh yeah right...damn.. Oh and yes johnnyL, lip trills/warm up in the car is awesome. I also like singing through a straw in the car, especially if I am in a hurry or running late for something vocal related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Well, Daniel, as it matters so much, I ronws, the redneck from Texas give. Senore Formica, a probability of being of italian descent a high probability. In which case, use of the word, actually spelled capiche would be expected to be used. I read your post through and did not at all pick up on a shortness with people. capiche, capiche, capiche ... Has a nice ring to it but I want to get that Robert DeNiro swing into it, the goodfella's slant, which includes not some bronx but some brooklyn, I think, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted December 14, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 14, 2014 I do a lot of lip trills/bubbles or whatever you call them when I'm driving alone. I'm keeping it easy... not the right place to push boundaries IMHO but driving works for an easy workout. Nice new forum! Their called "lip trills". But it's hard to do lip trills properly if you cant take your hands off the steering wheel. Meaning technically they're not lip trills if you can't take the weight off your cheeks with your fingers. Sounds like what you're doing is raspberries, lol... That's just not the same thing. I would advise that instead of doing the rasp berries because you can't take your hands off the steering wheel and you don't want to get spit all over your windshield in order to do proper lip trills, that you do resonant tracking, or buzz on nasal consonants. That's much better for driving. In fact, resonant tracking is the only semi-Occludef phonation that actually works while you're driving. Hey guys will you please upload an avatar, picture on your profile is so that we can make the form look better thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Yeah, Robert, I am trying to find a good pic where I am not sticking my tongue out like a brat. The reason I post my dog is because he is prettier than I am, which is not saying a lot, darn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyL Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Their called "lip trills". But it's hard to do lip trills properly if you cant take your hands off the steering wheel. Meaning technically they're not lip trills if you can't take the weight off your cheeks with your fingers. Sounds like what you're doing is raspberries, lol... That's just not the same thing. I would advise that instead of doing the rasp berries because you can't take your hands off the steering wheel and you don't want to get spit all over your windshield in order to do proper lip trills, that you do resonant tracking, or buzz on nasal consonants. That's much better for driving. In fact, resonant tracking is the only semi-Occludef phonation that actually works while you're driving. Hey guys will you please upload an avatar, picture on your profile is so that we can make the form look better thanks! Profile picture - added. I have to admit I didn't understand anything you wrote. Probably a combination of me being a first year student of singing and different terminologies... without getting into a debate on what's the right technique -I'm doing the stuff I've been shown and I believe I do them correctly. Could be a good idea though - to make a program of vocal exrecises while driving. I suppose that for drivers' safety it should focus on lighter aspects of singing. Advanced Crooning while Driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted December 14, 2014 Administrator Share Posted December 14, 2014 Profile picture - added. I have to admit I didn't understand anything you wrote. Probably a combination of me being a first year student of singing and different terminologies... without getting into a debate on what's the right technique -I'm doing the stuff I've been shown and I believe I do them correctly. Could be a good idea though - to make a program of vocal exrecises while driving. I suppose that for drivers' safety it should focus on lighter aspects of singing. Advanced Crooning while Driving? My program, "The Four Pillars of Singing" has lessons and content in it that discusses what I call, "Singercizing"... these are workouts you do throughout your day... in the shower, in the car, walking to work, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m.i.r. Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 Well, Daniel, as it matters so much, I ronws, the redneck from Texas give. Senore Formica, a probability of being of italian descent a high probability. In which case, use of the word, actually spelled capiche would be expected to be used. I read your post through and did not at all pick up on a shortness with people. capiche, capiche, capiche ... Has a nice ring to it but I want to get that Robert DeNiro swing into it, the goodfella's slant, which includes not some bronx but some brooklyn, I think, Good Lord!!!!!! Unnecessary!! Where I come from the use of capiche implies irritation, attitude, or bad mob movie dialogue. Ron, you need to move farther away from Oklahoma, I think that state is getting to you ha ha ha. Also dont hate because I care about the well being of the members here. I "just care too much" ha ha, sorry I have been yelled that too much the last couple months lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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