SingBetterIn3Days Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Welcome Tiffany, its great to have another expert here to contribute... thanks for coming and making all your strong, initial posts!Thanks, Robert. Seems like an awesome forum so far. Great group of peeps! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneetapp Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Fachs are determined by sound, range, registration events (where the voice shifts), volume, flexibility. It is important for all genres, not just classical because the more intimate you are with your voice, the more that you can know what to expect from it, what adjustments to make, etc. The most helpful thing for all singers is to increase breath flow as they are approaching a registration event. Knowing where your voice shifts, and how to manage the weight is one of the more important things when it comes vocal fach. If you don't know or pay attention to the above list, it doesn't really matter what your fach is, because it won't help you if you aren't paying attention to the right things. I sort of agree with You Tiffany, about knowing your own voice. But the way I see this is, it is important to know your current limitations, strengths and weakness, where your breaks are, etc. But the names aren't really important if you are developing your voice, to (for instance) get rid of your vocal breaks, or improve tone, or increase range, etc. You said it your self that your fach doesn't matter if your not paying attention, or don't know your voice. Cheers, and welcome to the Forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingBetterIn3Days Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Welcome Tiffany, its great to have another expert here to contribute... thanks for coming and making all your strong, initial posts!Thanks, Robert. Seems like an awesome forum so far. Great group of peeps! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingBetterIn3Days Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I sort of agree with You Tiffany, about knowing your own voice. But the way I see this is, it is important to know your current limitations, strengths and weakness, where your breaks are, etc. But the names aren't really important if you are developing your voice, to (for instance) get rid of your vocal breaks, or improve tone, or increase range, etc. You said it your self that your fach doesn't matter if your not paying attention, or don't know your voice. Cheers, and welcome to the Forum!Thanks! I see you signed up for my email list. I must have not made myself clear, because you seem to be recapping exactly what I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hi Tiffany!My main concern is with incorrect classification, done without a solid background which may act as a tool to consolidate problems, when what we want is solving them. When I say that it doesnt matter on pop, its because well, I am not restricted to tenor repertoire for example (and what exactly is tenor repertoire on pop?).Welcome!Felipe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted May 12, 2015 Administrator Share Posted May 12, 2015 Felipe,Love your consistency and professionalism. r 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingBetterIn3Days Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hi Tiffany!My main concern is with incorrect classification, done without a solid background which may act as a tool to consolidate problems, when what we want is solving them. When I say that it doesnt matter on pop, its because well, I am not restricted to tenor repertoire for example (and what exactly is tenor repertoire on pop?).Welcome!FelipeAgreed. Also, we could get into what exactly is pop music? With so many genres it would be impossible to classify the music itself, much less the fach of the singer who it would be appropriate for. You're absolutely right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gneetapp Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Thanks! I see you signed up for my email list. I must have not made myself clear, because you seem to be recapping exactly what I was saying. You said knowing your fach is important for all genres not only for Classical music. What I said is knowing your voice, meaning your "current limitations" and strengths is actually what it matters the most if you are to develop your voice (outside of the Classical singing). The main reason is just because classifying an untrained voice would be unreliable, and plain restrictive on the student. Yeah, I signed up for your e-mails. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzikant Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Male voices:- Bass - F2 - F4- Baritone - A2 - A4- Tenor - C3 - C5Female voices:- Alto - F3 - F5- Mezzo - A3 - A5- Soprano - C4 - C6This is not correct,since that is only for Operatic singers...And female singer in opera do not sing in full voice.Girl I know (soprano,her voice is "helium like high") and before vocal training she could only hit d5 in full voice,now she could belt G5 but still.I am tenor and I could hit F2.Alto and tenor probably have same placement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 Man, come on, read it all, you will see that one of the main points I am making there is exactly that it is only for opera singers. Amongst some other points that in my opinion need to be observed too, you will reccon some of them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzikant Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Sorry for early replay bro I agree with your post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted May 13, 2015 Administrator Share Posted May 13, 2015 Sorry for early replay bro I agree with your post.Hey, thats fine... but you don't have to apologize for expressing your opinion, nor do you have to agree with me? That is not what we are doing here... this is not the 'agree with Robert" forum... Yuk. No... Share ideas... I am learning just as everyone else and God knows I've been wrong or confused many times before on this forum. We are ALL here to challenge ideas and learn and grow... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I still find wisdom in Felipe's initial post and I, too, feel that the fach system is really only applicable to opera singing. Outside of that, I might simplify it to say that some have low-centered voices and some have high-centered voices and who cares exactly where. It is not a limitation of range. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 No worries bro, I understand your concern 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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