am i right why this was tough?

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last night, i took a stab at the eagles' "hotel california." wow, to my surprise, this was a lot harder to sing than i thought.

my guess is because the predominance of notes sit at the passagio?

i can hit the notes easy in head voice but they're light...in full voice i can power through them but they need a lot of support.

any suggestions to ease the difficulty..why the difficulty?

[analog]

That song is a classic example of Curbing(or whatever set-up you wanna call it.) I would say Don typically sings 90% in this mode. If you're comfortable singing in this set-up(as some people are,) it's a stress free affair. If you are unfamiliar with it, it absolutely could be "work."

I sing this song from time to time(I'll do stripped down duo gigs,) and can tell you I stay in curbing the whole time w/ good amount of twang, held back breath and NO PUSH. I've been busting my ass for years now with Curbing...so it's WAY easier than it used to be. It's all about familiarity I guess.

[jonpall]

Completely spot on by analong, IMO. In fact, I think most questions that go "I have a problem singing between C4 and C5" could be answered simply with "go master curbing" :)

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That song is a classic example of Curbing(or whatever set-up you wanna call it.) I would say Don typically sings 90% in this mode. If you're comfortable singing in this set-up(as some people are,) it's a stress free affair. If you are unfamiliar with it, it absolutely could be "work."

I sing this song from time to time(I'll do stripped down duo gigs,) and can tell you I stay in curbing the whole time w/ good amount of twang, held back breath and NO PUSH. I've been busting my ass for years now with Curbing...so it's WAY easier than it used to be. It's all about familiarity I guess.

analog, why do you say "i've been busting my ass" with curbing?

what's the difficult part of this mode?

i really need to understand..thanks

[jonpall]

Hmm, I think he's just saying that he's practised curbing a lot. I.e. he's put in a LOT of hours just working on curbing. At first it's difficult like any other mode or any other part of singing that you're not familiar with but then it gets easier and ingrained into your muscle memory.

[analog]

Jonpall has it exactly right.

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Jonpall has it exactly right.

can you help me understand more?

what makes it difficult..or what produces it?

b.t.w. does anyone want to sell their cvt book?

[analog]

can you help me understand more?

what makes it difficult..or what produces it?

b.t.w. does anyone want to sell their cvt book?

Well the problem is that even knowing EXACTLY what to do, the application is an entirely different thing.

jonpall had a great example(in the other thread Perfect ex. of Cry and Twang) here: http://www.box.net/shared/revh0z9ccb

I would check this out(if you haven't already,) and if you have more specific questions, will certainly try to help.

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Well the problem is that even knowing EXACTLY what to do, the application is an entirely different thing.

jonpall had a great example(in the other thread Perfect ex. of Cry and Twang) here: http://www.box.net/shared/revh0z9ccb

I would check this out(if you haven't already,) and if you have more specific questions, will certainly try to help.

thanks. i'm just asking about the one mode: curbing.

so is "curbing" singing with cry and twang?

that is what makes up a curb vocal?

you see, if you're a non-cvt educated singer like moi, i may sing routinely in a curbing mode naturally or instinctively. does that make a singer better because they use it?

are the modes elective or mandatory in terms of whether you use them or not?

the "modes" can make things very confusing.

anything you can explain would be very helpful.

[Marcus]

The modes are just CVT's way of classifying voice, you are using the modes weather you are aware of them or not. CVT is a good read, and I would warmly recommend you to at least borrow a copy and read it.

For me the key to Curbing was using a lot of twang. I haven't been overly into CVT, but I've read the book and have done some of the excercises. My main focus have been on James Lugo's program and then using the techniques learnt when singing songs. But as stated, Curbing is perfect for singing in the "tenor range" without "screaming" or "pushing".

CVT descibes curbing as a created "hold" before you sing the note, and it's common in all genres of music. Hotel California would probably be a very good example of Curbing, but it's used in anything from opera, through pop tenors to rock and metal.

I'd say that you don't have to practice the CVT's Curbing to be able to sing Hotel California easily, but what you achieve when you sing it without pushing will probably be what CVT would call Curbing. Twang, twang and more twang practice will guide you right. It did for me at least. When you find the right coordination you will need some practice to stabilize it, if you're not already familiar with it. For me being a basso/baritone it took me about a year to get the tenor coordination stable. And I can still struggle with some songs if there are a LOT of notes just at my former "break point", but the more you sing in that coordination the better and more smooth it will become. You don't have to sing in Curbing if you don't want though, and you may already be using Curbing without being aware of it. Vocal terminology is a jungle :P

[VideoHere]

The modes are just CVT's way of classifying voice, you are using the modes weather you are aware of them or not. CVT is a good read, and I would warmly recommend you to at least borrow a copy and read it.

For me the key to Curbing was using a lot of twang. I haven't been overly into CVT, but I've read the book and have done some of the excercises. My main focus have been on James Lugo's program and then using the techniques learnt when singing songs. But as stated, Curbing is perfect for singing in the "tenor range" without "screaming" or "pushing".

CVT descibes curbing as a created "hold" before you sing the note, and it's common in all genres of music. Hotel California would probably be a very good example of Curbing, but it's used in anything from opera, through pop tenors to rock and metal.

I'd say that you don't have to practice the CVT's Curbing to be able to sing Hotel California easily, but what you achieve when you sing it without pushing will probably be what CVT would call Curbing. Twang, twang and more twang practice will guide you right. It did for me at least. When you find the right coordination you will need some practice to stabilize it, if you're not already familiar with it. For me being a basso/baritone it took me about a year to get the tenor coordination stable. And I can still struggle with some songs if there are a LOT of notes just at my former "break point", but the more you sing in that coordination the better and more smooth it will become. You don't have to sing in Curbing if you don't want though, and you may already be using Curbing without being aware of it. Vocal terminology is a jungle

thanks marcus. do you anyone from whom i can borrow or buy the book?

[Marcus]

Just noticd there's a revised version of the book for purchase, I will probably buy that one when I come back to Sweden in november (I just have the old version).

You can buy it from http://www.completevocalinstitute.com/?q=en/Shop and probably some online bookshops as well. The library in my hometown in Sweden stocks a copy of CVT as well, so check with the libraries near you :)

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Just noticd there's a revised version of the book for purchase, I will probably buy that one when I come back to Sweden in november (I just have the old version).

You can buy it from http://www.completevocalinstitute.com/?q=en/Shop and probably some online bookshops as well. The library in my hometown in Sweden stocks a copy of CVT as well, so check with the libraries near you

thanks, trying to buy it a little cheaper....$25 just to ship it.