singela Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Hi there! I’d like to improve my singing but think it’s a bit tricky to train by myself without feedback. I’ve been trying some voice measuring apps on my smart phone. Sadly all apps I’ve been trying only measure pitch, and the measurements don't seem accurate. I’ve heard that more advanced voice measuring devices are about to enter the market, and that these products can help singers to gain more knowledge about the voice and be useful in vocal training. Do you know more about this? What do you think about the idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The surest and the best voice measuring app is... ... Drumroll... … Review & critique my singing section of TMV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The surest and the best voice measuring app is... ... Drumroll... … Review & critique my singing section of TMV. But beware. they tend to be alot more forgiving than the crowd...sometimes im impressed with the comments i get, but alot of times i just cant believe in them would preffer more criticism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singela Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 The surest and the best voice measuring app is... ... Drumroll... … Review & critique my singing section of TMV. I agree, feedback from other persons can be priceless. However, the product I read about will also provide realtime feedback and a timeline feature where you can see how your voice develops over time. Was thinking that a voice measuring application might work as a good complement? As long as the measurement is good of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I agree, feedback from other persons can be priceless. However, the product I read about will also provide realtime feedback and a timeline feature where you can see how your voice develops over time. Was thinking that a voice measuring application might work as a good complement? As long as the measurement is good of course. The thing is, who can set the bar for thze good singing...what is good singing? and how can a device be the judge of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carp Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm curious about your statement that they don't seem accurate. What do you mean? Not too long ago I was completely unable to just match with my voice a single pitch played on piano or sung by another person. I used some software called Sing and See to really good effect. It helped me to get calibrated. Using the real-time visual display of pitch I could steer my voice to the target pitch, and then go 'aha, that's what it feels like when it matches'. It's also good for more dynamic practice; for example you can see when you are swooping into notes for example instead of hitting them straight on. There is also a free software http://miracle.otago.ac.nz/tartini/ that does a similar thing. It's less optimized for voice than SingandSee, but it's free. It won't work on Macs with OS Mavericks thought. I have one on my phone called TE Tuner which is really just useful for static single pitch matching. It has some other cool features as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singela Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm curious about your statement that they don't seem accurate. What do you mean? Not too long ago I was completely unable to just match with my voice a single pitch played on piano or sung by another person. I used some software called Sing and See to really good effect. It helped me to get calibrated. Using the real-time visual display of pitch I could steer my voice to the target pitch, and then go 'aha, that's what it feels like when it matches'. It's also good for more dynamic practice; for example you can see when you are swooping into notes for example instead of hitting them straight on. There is also a free software http://miracle.otago.ac.nz/tartini/ that does a similar thing. It's less optimized for voice than SingandSee, but it's free. It won't work on Macs with OS Mavericks thought. I have one on my phone called TE Tuner which is really just useful for static single pitch matching. It has some other cool features as well. Most applications use regular microphones to collect data, which means that the measurements will be affected by stuff like background noise and such. I believe that contact microphones (and perhaps other sensors) would improve the measuring. It would also be cool if you could get information about several aspects of singing. Stability and air flow, for example. I haven’t tried Sing&See or Tartini, but they sound like interesting applications Will check them out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 But beware. they tend to be alot more forgiving than the crowd...sometimes im impressed with the comments i get, but alot of times i just cant believe in them would preffer more criticism Reminds me of a joke. True part of the story, I went to the doctor because of a sharp pain in my left knee. Due to the working conditions of digging in mud and dirt to install pipe for power and communications, I had given myself a torn intermedial cartilage. I said, "in my job, you have to part billy goat." He said, "Really? Which part?" I said, "The cloven hooves. But, I want a second opinion." (joke part) "Ok," he said, "You're ugly, too." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carp Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 As regards pitch measurement, SingandSee is completely unaffected by noise. For example I can sing along with scales that I'm playing on my electric guitar (plugged in) and if I am at all close to the mic it picks up on my singing only, not the guitar sound. You can see pitch stability, by means of the real time graphical trace. Separate from pitch measuring, is spectrum software, showing the formants harmonics of your singing voice. I've just started using Spectrum RTA by Onyx, a product recommend in the TVS 4 pillars package, but am very much a beginner at interpreting it. The TE Tuner app I mentioned above also has a spectrum display. I will say that too much reliance on this stuff can become a distraction and a crutch. In the end you have to get your ears working. But these can be helpful tools to get your ears in shape, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I agree, feedback from other persons can be priceless. However, the product I read about will also provide realtime feedback and a timeline feature where you can see how your voice develops over time. Was thinking that a voice measuring application might work as a good complement? As long as the measurement is good of course. lessons with a teacher, either in person or via Skype also provides real-time correction of pitch issues. However, my brother came up with a good idea of connecting a mic to a digital tuner and working on it, that way, when you are doing homework, so to speak, or not currently in a lesson session. I also question how you knew this app was not accurate. What did you measure against and was that tool accurate or is this a thread to show why we need this mystery product? It's a standard marketing ploy. Show the things as they currently are as being untenable, unendurable and then offer the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Singing apps may be cool to get you close to the zone but singing is also about inflection emotion and stylistic devices. Which also leads to why you may not get a critique that you think is honest although flattering perhaps. Pitch and accuracy may be OK but the delivery is week or the opposite Delivery and tone may be awesome but the pitch could be a little off do to things like accent or too strong consonants .Or you have heard other covers from the same person and have noticed the improvement. To say anything may lead down the wrong path when the singer is actually moving in the right direction. Therefore just "Good Job, Keep it up" is the best advice to give though you know you made mistakes that were not pointed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted February 17, 2015 Administrator Share Posted February 17, 2015 Welcome to our forum... will you do is a favor and please upload a picture to your profile so you have an identity and it helps make our forum look better? Thanks... Now then... "voice measuring device"? Well, thats a bit of a broad statement... there are a lot of devices and applications that can be used to measure different aspects of your voice... so you have to first start by knowing what it is you want to "measure"? The suggestion above to have your voice reviewed on our forum is actually a great suggestion.. but thats not a device. For a device, I would recommend the following: - Voce Vista Formant Tuning Software. - The Roland VT-12 is cool. It helps you with pitch and you can sing into it and match your voice. - Ear training software such as "Ear Master Pro". Or, invest in a vocal training program and actually consider doing some real training, which includes "measuring" your voice. Do you really want to "measure" your voice, or do you want to sing better and train? Another fundamental question you need to be clear about with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Starr Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Why not just better your natural ear? Hit a key on the piano/keyboard/guitar and try and match it. Surely that would grow your ear and pitch accuracy much more than using a app to tell you. You feel a much better connection to the sound, tone, timbre, texture etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Budapest Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'm curious about your statement that they don't seem accurate. What do you mean? Not too long ago I was completely unable to just match with my voice a single pitch played on piano or sung by another person. I used some software called Sing and See to really good effect. It helped me to get calibrated. Using the real-time visual display of pitch I could steer my voice to the target pitch, and then go 'aha, that's what it feels like when it matches'. It's also good for more dynamic practice; for example you can see when you are swooping into notes for example instead of hitting them straight on. There is also a free software http://miracle.otago.ac.nz/tartini/ that does a similar thing. It's less optimized for voice than SingandSee, but it's free. It won't work on Macs with OS Mavericks thought. I have one on my phone called TE Tuner which is really just useful for static single pitch matching. It has some other cool features as well. Hey Carp- was that just for pitch or did the SingandSee do something like tell if you're straining or putting the voice in the wrong placement? As for pitch, I think singers hear it differently. Brad Delp was a similar kind of guy. Killer voice but his pitch would be funky sometimes and he'd not realize it. I've met singers with similar voices who had the same issue. Maybe it's something in their approach, I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carp Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just pitch. I think there is a more expensive version of S&S that perhaps has maybe a spectrum display or another display where one can see overtones. But I suspect that there is better software out there for that advanced stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 No app is going to be able to tell you if you are pulling, straining or using proper breath support or if you have a cool tone to your voice. Most of the time over all sound is subjective. Celine Dion supposedly has a great sound and great technique but I cannot stand the sound of her voice. It is like fingers on a chalk board to me. Same thing with a lot of singers that people on this board hold as their vocal heroes. It is subjective and I also believe that the singers that I think have an awesome tone others would find annoying. It has nothing to do with pitch accuracy or solid technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Fraser Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 But beware. they tend to be alot more forgiving than the crowd...sometimes im impressed with the comments i get, but alot of times i just cant believe in them would preffer more criticism Ask specifically for the feedback you are interested in. Don't ask... What do you think? Rather... Be picky. What should I be working o? What needs improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Ask specifically for the feedback you are interested in. Don't ask... What do you think? Rather... Be picky. What should I be working o? What needs improvement. Fair point :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexy Beast Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Hi there! I’d like to improve my singing but think it’s a bit tricky to train by myself without feedback. I’ve been trying some voice measuring apps on my smart phone. Sadly all apps I’ve been trying only measure pitch, and the measurements don't seem accurate. I’ve heard that more advanced voice measuring devices are about to enter the market, and that these products can help singers to gain more knowledge about the voice and be useful in vocal training. Do you know more about this? What do you think about the idea? I think you should get a voice teacher... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I think you should get a voice teacher... I second what Sexay said :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I second what Sexay said I like the way you say sexay ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I like the way you say sexay ... I can whisper it to you all night #nohomo :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I pull that joke on everyone. You could have said scrambled eggs and I would have said the same thing about you or someone else saying "scrambled eggs." Or a beavis and butthead thing - "he said 'scrambled eggs.' eh, eh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted February 18, 2015 Administrator Share Posted February 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loudkenny Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Quote I think you should get a voice teacher... As everyone knows, good voice teachers are few and far between. I remember reading about a program called Voce Vista? that was supposed to help with things like this. Would a smartphone version of this be available, and where? ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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