JackCee Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Hi everyone, I realize in the TVS methodology singing is after all the exercises and stuff. R&b and Pop head voice songs often are in breathy falsetto and not conductive to improving closure and control. Then there are super powerful high rock songs which are kind of like screaming (but still better than pure falsetto). In the frisell methodology they don't really mention singing... you'll be doing oo, ee, and aw slides for years before realizing you never learned to sing. What are some good head voice songs to learn to get better control? Preferably within A4-E5 but if it's higher I will still try and work my way up there. I do not think there is a lot to choose from because few people have that level of control over head voice but also who are some good "role models" for male head voice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 This reminds me of threads that JayMC used to get going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted March 28, 2015 Administrator Share Posted March 28, 2015 Hi everyone, I realize in the TVS methodology singing is after all the exercises and stuff. Yes, that is a good way to train... but what you are calling falsetto, is actually just light mass compression often times. I work with a lot of clients that sing in this style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny82 Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Queensryche - Take Hold of the Flame. It really has everything you are looking for to train the high areas and lots of advantages, just some things: It starts just below passaggio mostly and then has a siren into head voice right at the start which is even a good excercise on its own Then it has an E5 I think as a high note, also right at the beginning, basically impossible to sing that in chest voice if you aren't a very high tenor Then it centers around something like B4, but the phrasing is so difficult that its just impossible to belt that song, which further encourages you to use head voice for that Then it has those in-between parts that start with "seek..." in the lyrics which are chest voice with a quick switch to head voice at the end of the part '> 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Van Halen - Dreams Led Zeppelin - Dazed and confused Led Zep - Immigrant Song Zep - stairway Zep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted March 29, 2015 Administrator Share Posted March 29, 2015 All the early Journey stuff for sure... Early Queensryche... Dream Theater... Bruce Dickinson... but this would be more heavy, more belty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Originally sung by Kate Bush, this is by Andre Matos: Also, generally Andre Matos songs are really good for head voice work. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackCee Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Thanks everyone!!! I'm very grateful that you share your knowledge and experience with me. Because I listen to radio so much I always sing pop though my love for rock music flourished this year. I hate to sound negative but I do not think I have a "rock voice" like Robert Lunte and struggle to sing above D5. Here is 2 clips singing different kind of song, I hope in the future I will be able to sing rock songs and perform well. Also the reason I was against frisell is because I did a lot of descending slides but my "upper range" did not get better for singing, what happens when I need an E5?? (2 clips; limited range, falsetto not strong) Not sure what is the first training head voice song I should try and sing, I always was fascinated how the rock people had no rules while everyone else seems to have limits... thanks again guys for taking time off your day to help me out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammCummingsfan Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Another good song might be "Hey There Lonely Girl" by Eddie Holman. I think it tops at F5. Anything sung by Eddie Kendricks in the Temptations like "Just My Imagination", "Get Ready" "The Way You Do The Things You Do" would be good, too. On the more recent side, Sam Smith's songs have lots of head voice work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I did and still do falsetto slides and they absolutely, positively helped me, but there's more work that needs to be done. You also have to learn to merge this with your chest voice musculature and in varying degrees. It's hard work. Send over a sample of a falsetto slide on an "oo" from c5 down and let me hear it. Maybe I can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackCee Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 I did and still do falsetto slides and they absolutely, positively helped me, but there's more work that needs to be done. You also have to learn to merge this with your chest voice musculature and in varying degrees. It's hard work. Send over a sample of a falsetto slide on an "oo" from c5 down and let me hear it. Maybe I can help. Thanks sir for your help, however what happens when I need an E5? I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth and I have included a descending slide at your request. I do not learn well from reading books or forums, I learn from audio or visual components. You can hear in the clip my upper range sucks; a lot of songs I want to sing are like D5, E5, F5 - I wish there were clips of Frisell singing so I can hear the awesome stuff he talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Thanks sir for your help, however what happens when I need an E5? I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth and I have included a descending slide at your request. I do not learn well from reading books or forums, I learn from audio or visual components. If you learn better from audio than from reading forums, you might actually want to try TVS. Sure, there are training exercises and you don't have to do the whole program each and every day as a warm-up. Spend some time on exercises, then some time on songs. So, you tell me when you need an E5. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackCee Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Hi, I have TVS 2.5 and am saving up for the newest one. If you read the thread there is a song called Take Hold Of the Flame (I love this song!!) but descending oo slide will not get me there. You know the basic may-uh siren has helped me a lot more than descending oo. If you are a student of frisell then take no personal offence, it just didn't work for me. I would like to try some m2 songs that are good training but am not sure where to start. What songs do you recommend to start after doing exercises? I like this song too but am skipping the high part (1:38) it's just crazy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aravindmadis Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Try Foreigner - "I have been waiting for a girl like you" and "I want to know what love is".. Both songs impossible to sing without using headvoice.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Thanks sir for your help, however what happens when I need an E5? I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth and I have included a descending slide at your request. I do not learn well from reading books or forums, I learn from audio or visual components. You can hear in the clip my upper range sucks; a lot of songs I want to sing are like D5, E5, F5 - I wish there were clips of Frisell singing so I can hear the awesome stuff he talking about. That's okay if you feel they don't work for you. But I do them slower and when i start overlapping the chest voice range I stay in a heady set up and remain on that vowel while I drop off in volume. Like I said, it helped me to build a groove or a ramp that helps me to stay very chesty sounding up top as long as I maintain my support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Try Foreigner - "I have been waiting for a girl like you" and "I want to know what love is".. Both songs impossible to sing without using headvoice.. Definitely!! All Foreigner tunes really work it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I just remembered a song that might be great for this. Somewhere over the rainbow. WhY? Because it has a built in octave siren in the begining. You can give yourself a queue and start lower :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugulator Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Try Steelheart or Slaughter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 11, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 11, 2015 I just remembered a song that might be great for this. Somewhere over the rainbow. WhY? Because it has a built in octave siren in the begining. You can give yourself a queue and start lower That would be a cool "challenge" song actually... it has a lot of dynamics... but that first interval is not a glissando Elvis.. to sing it properly, you can slide up into it, it would not be good form. Perhaps a very fast sweep, but its best to pretty much nail the octave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 That would be a cool "challenge" song actually... it has a lot of dynamics... but that first interval is not a glissando Elvis.. to sing it properly, you can slide up into it, it would not be good form. Perhaps a very fast sweep, but its best to pretty much nail the octave. Yea i know but if u make it into practice (workout) the melody can be very nice to train with. Like some of the musical workouts in pillars. Singing the melody a bit slower and legato makes you nail that octave then it descends you down to your passagio area to navigate there. Could be wrong, if i am then sry :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 11, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 11, 2015 Elvis, there is nothing to be sorry about in your suggestion... it is a perfectly fine suggestion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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