Jarom Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 In order to successfully bridge we are often taught to think of the voice getting thinner, after we have learned how to bridge and can sing the thin high notes c5-g5 how can we thicken the sound. At first I thought that those notes just always sound thin but my friend was singing and he could sing g5's with the same fulness and power as if he were to sing an g4. I had never heard anyone sing with that much power. this wasn't a thin steel heart or judas priest type fulness this was literally like he was god screaming across the universe. He hasn't had any vocal training yet his high notes sound more beefy then any professional I have heard. is this idea of thinning out the voice flawed? Do we have the ability to thicken the sound more then what where taught? you can have a powerful thin sound but how can we have a powerful thick sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Great question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Oh god yes, am I the first one to say it?! Oh man, I'm excited... Here I go.. Wish me luck.. ... Upload a sound sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 it all comes with time,and skill.. Shaq couldnt make a free throw but he was a damn good ball player. Your friend maybe has this great high screamy thing but ask him to sing a stevie wonder song and he falls apart(maybe) dont compare your self to what you cant do. Just practice and get better and you will probably look back at this post and say "i remember when i couldnt do that".. time will make you sound thicker dont push to sound thicker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarom Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 it all comes with time,and skill.. Shaq couldnt make a free throw but he was a damn good ball player. Your friend maybe has this great high screamy thing but ask him to sing a stevie wonder song and he falls apart(maybe) dont compare your self to what you cant do. Just practice and get better and you will probably look back at this post and say "i remember when i couldnt do that".. time will make you sound thicker dont push to sound thicker. he can bring it down and sing softer stuff with out a problem. time has got me more power, vibrato, distortion, but the sound up there is still thin and always has been...... I dont know if i'm making sense ha ha. can you demonstrate a thick sound? I love you daniel but I have never heard you sing with a thick sound, Iv'e heard a powerful thin sound like in your still of the night cover but never a thick sound. the only coach that has ever come close to this thick sound was robert lunte and he was still a little thin (robert lunte how to sing high chest voice) you can have a powerful thin sound wich is what most people develop but the thick sound is rare and often from people who haven't trained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 he can bring it down and sing softer stuff with out a problem. time has got me more power, vibrato, distortion, but the sound up there is still thin and always has been...... I dont know if i'm making sense ha ha. can you demonstrate a thick sound? I love you daniel but I have never heard you sing with a thick sound, Iv'e heard a powerful thin sound like in your still of the night cover but never a thick sound. the only coach that has ever come close to this thick sound was robert lunte and he was still a little thin (robert lunte how to sing high chest voice) you can have a powerful thin sound wich is what most people develop but the thick sound is rare and often from people who haven't trained. Umm... Does Ken Tamplin have a thick voice? You sure it's a thick voice and not just a dark voice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarom Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Umm... Does Ken Tamplin have a thick voice? You sure it's a thick voice and not just a dark voice ken is great but yes his voice is thin although powerful it is still thin..... give me a second and i'll find some examples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 The plot thickens... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerKu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I feel like this thread encapsulates so many singer's psychologies it's about time it was made point blank. No toying around the issue, no fancy terms, no pretending for anything else. Might as well pre stamp every singer's gravestone with: "X tried to sing as high and thick as was humanly possible and will be missed. R.I.P. " 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarom Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 this video has a bunch of different rock singers singing high notes. you can hear there all powerfull yet alot of them are still thin and only some of them are thick. this isn't the best example but its the best I could find. i'll have my friend record his voice as soon as I can so you guys can have the perfect example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 well I guess you have a sound that you like maybe its thin maybe thick .. I dont know cause i havent heard your friend . record him and send it then we will know what we are dealing with. As far as anyone else being thin or thick what are you looking for how about an example of someone thick from a song or the radio..Then i can figure out what you are looking for. who in the video is thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 well I guess you have a sound that you like maybe its thin maybe thick .. I dont know cause i havent heard your friend . record him and send it then we will know what we are dealing with. As far as anyone else being thin or thick what are you looking for how about an example of someone thick from a song or the radio..Then i can figure out what you are looking for. who in the video is thick? I think everyone over 100kg (200~pounds) should be considered kinda thick. Altough i dont really look for that kinda stuff. Everyone is the same for me On a more serious note. I think what jarom is talking about is to have some real power up there. For example imagine Dio hitting D5, now imagine that kind of power on G5. This is exageration and maybe im missing the point but i think he is thinking of that. From what i can say i think that thick sound is coming from huge sub-glottal pressure. Like really pushing that air over closed vocal folds. But i dont know nothing so dont listen to what i say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Jarom, I cannot wait to hear the sample of your friend. One way to thicken up there is you have to learn to manage greater levels of breath pressure and have adduction musculature that closes the folds and lets very little air past them. You also need strong levels of support so the folds aren't blown apart. It's a controlled aggression. You have to go there mentally and very, very physically. If you don't have the requisite support you won't even launch the note. And practise, practise, practise. Also, some voice types don't have the physiological capacity to sound really thick up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarom Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 at 1:36 jimmy barnes is thicker then most 2:56 has some thickness 1:47 is powerfull yet thin 0:17 is also powerful yet thin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackCee Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 More resonance = thick sound. Don't force it man, all good things take time. If I compare myself to every natural singer I'd be having a bad day every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsoul82 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 this video has a bunch of different rock singers singing high notes. you can hear there all powerfull yet alot of them are still thin and only some of them are thick. this isn't the best example but its the best I could find. i'll have my friend record his voice as soon as I can so you guys can have the perfect example I might have an idea of what you're talking about. Tell me if I'm right or wrong. I had already done a recording, and it might speak to what you mean. When you refer to thickness, do you mean the type of color my falsetto has after the 6:38 mark? http://picosong.com/VtCA/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Well you are splitting hairs at this. Your gauging sound on what mic ,was used preamps, compressors, how professional was recorded. I suggest you just practice being able to do it the better you get at it the bigger it will sound. I could do this on 5 different mics and 5 different rooms and 5 different sound chains. You would think some were thicker than others but I would be doing the same thing on each. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerKu Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Well you are splitting hairs at this. Your gauging sound on what mic ,was used preamps, compressors, how professional was recorded. I suggest you just practice being able to do it the better you get at it the bigger it will sound. I could do this on 5 different mics and 5 different rooms and 5 different sound chains. You would think some were thicker than others but I would be doing the same thing on each. Don't forget stereo doubling, double tracking, delay, EQ, and mic proximity. In between all of his videos on how to sing like cats, dogs, and monkeys, Ken has a pretty good video on the effects chains he uses: He mentions at one point he layered 400 vocals all together to get the biggest sound of all time. Now that's 80s. I'm still waiting for the girth of the OP's friend though. I'm imagining Tom Jones Melodyned up an octave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny82 Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I think Jens on this forum is very good at doing the "tick" sound your looking for up to very high notes. It is just taking up more mass into the high range, while still using the resonance pattern of head voice. Teachers often teach you to lower the mass when going up. But the reason for that is not that it's impossible to sing up there with high mass. The reason is that it is easier, especially for a beginner. Additionally, when singing low mass, the resonance switches are way easier. Just think about falsetto. It is the lightest phonation possible and it kind of has "automatic" head resonance built-in. Lighter mass phonations make it easier to experience and handle the resonance shifts. With high mass phonations as a beginner chances are that you just don't 'get it', how to resonate the higher notes without hurting yourself. High mass is indeed rare in rock singing. Not because it sounds bad, but because it is very fatigueing in the long run, especially if you are singing a lot in the high range. In classical singing though, high mass is pretty common for tenors in the G4-C5 range. In rock singing you mainly have light mass singers like Geoff Tate for example or medium mass singers like Ken Tamplin or Rob Lunte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Mohler Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 He hasn't had any vocal training yet his high notes sound more beefy then any professional I have heard. Man, I can totally relate. All my friends back home who never did a vocal exercise in their lives could siren up to A5s all full as can be and here I was busting my @*$! each and everyday and capping out at E4. Sometimes you just gotta stop and say, "Why me God?!!" I knew it was never a good idea to abandon my Catholic upbringings but had I known how cruelly I'd be smited perhaps I'd have kept showing up on Sundays. All I can say is maybe focus your voice in your low range more, stop working your voice so high in the heady places and work on getting some real power in your mid and low range. I think that would build a bigger sound than trying to build it on fifth octave stuff. By the way how old are you compared to your friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'm still waiting for the girth of the OP's friend though. I'm imagining Tom Jones Melodyned up an octave. Oh goodness... Between that and "god screaming across the universe," this kid has some pretty thick shoes to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Oh goodness... Between that and "god screaming across the universe," this kid has some pretty thick shoes to fill. Im so afraid that the sound will be underwhelming xD im super excited to hear it :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Mohler Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I'm still waiting for the girth of the OP's friend though. I'm imagining Tom Jones Melodyned up an octave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Pro photoshop skillz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 Here is my G5. Dont be jeloushttps://app.box.com/s/mki6pgo1vabybzpckmtpxbmhw9e2t7wu P.S. im not serious edit: this one is even more awesome xDhttps://app.box.com/s/hnnmrg68dy2uhi5t05hlsa8xvl7ud06y 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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