D.Starr Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Recently recorded for the "All of Me" challenge KillerKu mentioned: It's like I hear every glottal attack almost with every onset, like 'click' then note. it doens't quite gel with the otherwise smoothness in your vocal delivery. I think it's just because it's so quiet and small that you hear the onset so clearly. You could try an invisible H, but if I were to try to sing in this style and have body at this volume, I can't imagine picturing it working in my voice. So yeah, I think you should try your idea. It doesn't have to be a push, but just some kind of resonance volume. Can anyone elaborate on the H onset? I've read about it before but I'm scared of adding too much air at the beginning. I'm used to gripping and squeezing notes, sort of curbing wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 If you have MM, check out the "on" exercise in the chest cd. The irish o. Try to onset with that feeling. There's no H, but the placement allows for a sort of crescendo without the falsetto first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 10, 2015 Khassera, what is the "chest" CD? D.Starr... Your feedback for the song was probably well advised.. but in general, in a training context, glottal attacks are very important! They help you with your belting and build great strength. At TVS we call them "Attack & Release" onsets. BTW... any onset that starts with an /h/ is known as an aspirate onset, characterized by a momentary opening of the glottis... in TVS, we have training routines for this onset as well, its called the "Wind & Release" onset. The point is, these onsets have their value and place,... the trick is knowing when and WHY your using them. Understand onsets and you understand better how to command and control your voice and trouble-shoot vocal problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Khassera, what is the "chest" CD? My uneducated guess would be that it is a CD that revolves around chest voice development inside MM training system (mastering mix i think). On topic. I did alot of glottal attack onsets and the way i fixed is is simply with starting the note with air. Wind and Release. With time you get the hang of it. And you are a good singer D so i bet you will get this down very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khassera Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yep. Mastering Mix CD1 I recall. It had one of the coolest vowel mod/blending/bridging/whatever exercises I've ever seen. Maybe it made sense to me since my native language is very "say as is written" kinda thing. So an O is an oh, U is an oo etc. The "on" exercise helped me find a sort of sweet spot that allows me to do a crescendo and a decrescendo better than I've been able to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvis Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yep. Mastering Mix CD1 I recall. It had one of the coolest vowel mod/blending/bridging/whatever exercises I've ever seen. Maybe it made sense to me since my native language is very "say as is written" kinda thing. So an O is an oh, U is an oo etc. The "on" exercise helped me find a sort of sweet spot that allows me to do a crescendo and a decrescendo better than I've been able to do it. Yea Croatian is the same way. The way you pronounce the word is the same way you would spell it. Thats why in Croatia we dont have spelling contests, cuz its pointless xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 10, 2015 All of the singing vowels in "Pillars" offers BOTH the IPA for people that don't speak English as their first language and English language sound color equivalents, which is what your talking about... that is what this is when you see me write it: Example: ^/uh ae/a (cat) i/ee Does MM offer any information on IPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 10, 2015 The way you pronounce the word is the same way you would spell it. Thats why in Croatia we dont have spelling contests, cuz its pointless xD That is interesting... Spanish and Italian has a similar vibe to it... it seems easy to read Spanish for me, even though I don't know what Im saying... but trying to make the sounds of German or French... that becomes very difficult. Remember guys, Language vowels and singing vowels are not the same thing... even if we do something like this: " ^/uh" They are still just symbols for sound colors... written in language "characters/letters"... Even the IPA symbols were actually developed for language vowels, not singing vowels.... My point is, don't get TOO fixated on IPA/Language Equivalent characters... its not a perfect system for singing, but its the best we have. I refer you both to the "Language Vowels vs Singing Vowels' illustration in your copy of "4Pillars" , which is what I am trying to point out with this visual... Given that singing vowels are a lot more ubiquitous and generally the same for everyone, it would be an interesting exercise to develop a kind of "International Singing Alphabet" or "ISA" for singing sound colors... but not exactly sure how necessary it would be.... then again, in "4Pillars"... I identify 10 primary singing vowels to train... so any such hypothetical "ISA" would consist of 10 symbols + the consonants... Ok, don't panic, Im not going to put that into the program... lol... just geeking out here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yea Croatian is the same way. The way you pronounce the word is the same way you would spell it. Thats why in Croatia we dont have spelling contests, cuz its pointless xD If I decide to eventually learn Croatian, that's a good thing. I am learning Hungarian now and it's biggest advantage is that how you spell it is how it sounds. (the village where my grandparents are from is in Hungary and the town speaks both Hungarian and Croatian). Oh, and wind and release is my favorite. Always doing hey and yeah randomly around the house 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 10, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yes, when in doubt, try a "Wind & Release" onset, it has a way of getting things back in balance... I think its the Bernoulli physics that is the result of good respiration.... BTW... "Yeah" is not a W&R onset. I challenge you TVS students to analyze it to determine which of the 8 core onsets it would be classified as. HINT,... j/y starts with a kind of i/"ee" doesn't it? That's the clue... Answer this Sentence: "Yeah" is a supplemental __? & Release__ onset used to engage compression and resonant into Edging vowels. Answer that question and you will know what kind of onset "yeah" and "ya" actually are...Then you'll be a smart TVS/Pillars student that can look at the consonants and vowels and determine what onsets and vocal mode it belongs in... then you will understand its nature better, which will help you to train and sing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Rob, I'll take a swing. Based on the hint and the sentence, "ee" is used in the twang and release onset if I recall correctly. Start with a buzz, move into an "ee", then open the vowel to an "eh" and then dampen the larynx accordingly. Twang and release is helpful for building compression, so I'm going with twang and release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 11, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nope, WRONG! Its not called the "Twang & Release" onset... there is no such thing... your on the right path though... sorry, no pass until you get the onset right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nope, WRONG! Its not called the "Twang & Release" onset... there is no such thing... your on the right path though... sorry, no pass until you get the onset right. Just looked at the onsets from the book and the FBR, I'll go with one that actually exists this time *facepalm*... quack and release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 11, 2015 Administrator Share Posted April 11, 2015 There you go... so what's the lesson here? Anytime you can put a j/y or i/"ee" into an onset, or any lyrics that start with this such as, "yes", "yellow","you"... or even a free form "yeah!"... you can expect to be set up nicely to get some good compression off those lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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