someone clarify this for me please

[rich2k4]

so basically with enough training and hard work, anyone can learnt o sing as high as they want? basically classifications like bass, tenor, baritone don't matter?

i kind of find it hard to believe, since i'm sure there has to be some limitations. the majority population believe is that only some people are born with the capacity for a very high range. and that you cannot learn to sing higher then what you are born with.

basically is it possible for anyone to get adam lambert like range, power, and quality?

another example, anyone with training can sing michael jackson, but there voice will probably be deeper then his right? the vocal classifications define how deep or light the voice sounds, not range, correct?

[joshual]

bass tenor & baritone are classical terms for classical musicians. If you don't plan to sing classical music stay away from that ;-).

A lot of people here can sing high and are not what i call "natural born tenor".

When i started singing, i was really disapointed by those terms, i thought that if my break was before F, i will never be able to sing high, that is just wrong!

If it can help you, i got a bass player in my band that is for me a deep baritone that can sing really high and tough songs! And i think Mickael Jackson was known as a baritone, but he was so turn into perfection that he train his voice to always have a light sound even when he was talking. Listen to old songs like "i want you back" live, the song is lower ( a minor or major third, don't remember exactly) than the original ;-)

[Douglas]

Hi rich2k4,

The fach system for classical singing has factors other than vocal range and, I think, is more about specialization, and what parts someone might be good at than range, though clearly range is a part of it.

Many guys that I have bumped into in this and other forums who have developed what some people call whistle (and others call flageolet I think) can sing a good ways above soprano high C ( C6 in scientific notation). A few of them can do it in other vocal models like metal-like neutral or just neutral (these are CVI terms).

While I am not sure that anyone can do these things, many of these guys say that they were classified as baritones before they started working on expanding their range.

What I can say for sure is pretty much everyone without a health problem can expand their range a lot.

In case you are interested in developing your whistle register the things that helped me were, Brett Manning's youtube video, (there is almost nothing about it in his CDs): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl-04LSjvKA

And "Raise Your Voice" by Jaime Vendera, was very very helpful. I am sure there are other great books out there too. Though I am generally a big fan of CVI, their book doesnt have much about whistle.

I hope this helps some.

Doug

[Steven Fraser]

so basically with enough training and hard work, anyone can learn to sing as high as they want? basically classifications like bass, tenor, baritone don't matter?

rich2k4: Within some limits, which have to be discovered through actual singing, a vocal range can be extended both downward and upward quite far. The voice types of tenor, baritone and bass are partly about range, but mostly about tone quality and the location of the passaggio. As mentioned, the terms come from the classical (and choral) musical traditions, and may have less applicability to singers of contemporary music.

The limits of the upper range are determined by two physical characteristics: 1) the musculature and tissue characteristics of the vocal bands, and 2) the extent to which the vocal bands can be stretched/thinned by the action of the crico-thyroid muscles.

i kind of find it hard to believe, since i'm sure there has to be some limitations. the majority population believe is that only some people are born with the capacity for a very high range. and that you cannot learn to sing higher then what you are born with.

What can be done is not known until one tries.

basically is it possible for anyone to get adam lambert like range, power, and quality?

Perhaps. not everyone wants to, or has the talent for his musicality. The more relevant questions: do you? Are you willing to put in the work to determine what you can accomplish.

another example, anyone with training can sing michael jackson, but their voice will probably be deeper then his right? the vocal classifications define how deep or light the voice sounds, not range, correct?

Rich2k4: are you really interested in the general person here, or are you interested in knowing whether _you_ could cover an MJ song well?

[rich2k4]

The more relevant questions: do you? Are you willing to put in the work to determine what you can accomplish.

Rich2k4: are you really interested in the general person here, or are you interested in knowing whether _you_ could cover an MJ song well?

yes i believe i have it in me. and it's a little bit of both, general person and myself.

[VideoHere]

yes i believe i have it in me. and it's a little bit of both, general person and myself.

hey rich, i'm gonna tell you straight up....if you put in the time and work hard, consistently, and systematically, the gains are guaranteed to come.

perhaps they won't be a fast as one would like, and you will have days like you have dropped backwards a bit, as well as days like "holy sh&*!" now i'm getting it!

here's what you have to look forward to:

higher and lower notes

longer notes

more dynanics (control over loud and soft singing)

better tonal quality, more resonance

generally easier singing

but above all a connected voice, a seemless transition between your chest voice and head voice enabling you to sing many kinds of songs.