AboveTenor Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I'm having trouble singing above A5. My throat tightens up a little, and I strain around a Bb5. I understand that twang won't work any higher than A5, as you have to go back to a vertical laryngeal configuration again (non-tilted thyroid cartilage, relaxed cricothyroid) and falsetto it up a bit. But my head voice just won't go any higher as the vocal folds won't adduct, a lot of air comes out as they try to flip into the next register. I used to have a Eb6, but now I just want the Soprano High C LOL! Any tips guys? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Well this is my area I once in my life had the same problem, i got sick and after that i lost my soprano b and C. nowdays i figured it out and i can even get past soprano C both in whistle and head. add me to msn so we can talk maybe i can help you: jens_86_johansson@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Fraser Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I'm having trouble singing above A5. My throat tightens up a little, and I strain around a Bb5. I understand that twang won't work any higher than A5, as you have to go back to a vertical laryngeal configuration again (non-tilted thyroid cartilage, relaxed cricothyroid) and falsetto it up a bit. But my head voice just won't go any higher as the vocal folds won't adduct, a lot of air comes out as they try to flip into the next register. I used to have a Eb6, but now I just want the Soprano High C LOL! Any tips guys? Thanks. AboveTenor: There are several falacies in what you have written. Whomever is telling you that you have to relax the cricothyroid to sing Bb5 is steering you incorrectly. It still has to be active, even if you are singing falsetto. Epilaryngeal resonance (twang) is not impossible above A5, its just that the harmonics of A5 are so far apart that they seldomly align with the singer's formant region. If you are singing with twang and nonclassical vowels, should be bright, but fine. As you ascend to the very high range, you must increase the adductive action of the arytenoids, and make sure that the thyroarytenoids (TAs) do not completely disengage. If they do disengage, then full adduction is harder to do, and you've got to rely on twang to keep the ring in the tone. You want that ring as you approach whistle, which is the next register. To do it well, you have to match your fundamental or 1st harmonic to a vocal formant, and take all the extra exhalation force off of the voice until you find it. The formant you will want is likely F3, or even the singer's formant region. This kind of formant tuning in this range is not vowel dependent at all, so just find the vowel that is easiest to sing. Some notes will not come out well, but others will sound fine. If you find the subtle adjustments that are necessary, its quite possible to go right up off the top of the piano for some voices. If you want these very high-pitched notes, you have to be willing to do the work required to develop the techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridrix Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 This is so technical. :/ But intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Fraser Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 This is so technical. :/ But intriguing. fridrix: Sorry if I couched the ideas in a manner that did not communicate well with you. Here is the net of it: The voice has certain muscular-actions that must be kept in their operating relationship with resonances. If one or the other is not approached correctly (that is, the phonation muscle action or the resonance) then the voice does not function as well or at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AboveTenor Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Thank you Jens, I'll add you Steven, thank you once again for the explanation. I am always very impressed with your vocal pedagogy knowledge. I hope one day to learn more about the mechanics of the voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridrix Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Steven I'm familiar with the concept of resonances and overtones. It's the specifics of the muscle actions that I find confounding. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Fraser Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Steven I'm familiar with the concept of resonances and overtones. It's the specifics of the muscle actions that I find confounding. :/ fridrix: Check out this article of mine on the main site. We can use that as a starting point for clarifying some things: http://www.themodernvocalist.com/profiles/blogs/phonation-fundamentals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridrix Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Thanks. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolaChau Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Well this is my area I once in my life had the same problem, i got sick and after that i lost my soprano b and C. nowdays i figured it out and i can even get past soprano C both in whistle and head. add me to msn so we can talk maybe i can help you: jens_86_johansson@hotmail.com Do you have any clips of you singing those notes? can you slide from a low note or you speaking pitch to those very high notes? I'm very interested in hearing you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 here some highnotes from songs and a clip of my whistle http://www.speedyshare.com/files/24953001/head_whistle.wma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolaChau Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 wow thank you, amazing voice, do you have a youtube channel or something with clips or videos uploaded? Sorry for deviating the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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