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  1. Thanks for the replies everyone. I kind of expected the vocal coaching lecture, my problem at the moment is money. I do plan to have a vocal coach within the next month though. I actually played around with my falsetto, and realized that the problem was technique (I guess my muscle memory for accessing falsetto is terrible). It turns out that I can hit a C5 in falsetto, but it sounds terrible (mickey mouse-esque sound). So I guess my falsetto range has slightly gone up, it's just weird trying to hit it (I'll accidentally sing from my throat 1-2 times before actually doing it right). I've never been able to hit an E5 though, so does the fact that I can still hit the C5 make this sound normal? Also, I do have to belt to hit F4/F#4. I never really feel like I'm straining my voice by doing so, and I've been noticing improvements in tone from the past month alone, but is there a chance that despite this, I'm still doing harm to my vocal cords? One concern is vocal nodules. I did abuse my voice for years (when I was 18, my voice was hoarse for a week, but this went away and I stopped singing for over a year for other reasons). Someone on reddit told me that if I had vocal nodules, I'd know and that there would be a missing part of my register, but is this always the case? They also said that since I'm young, my voice should be more resilient to damage (I've never heard this elsewhere). I really do want to learn everything correctly, I'm just broke and impatient, and I think I'll halt the whole process until I do find a coach, or at least sing in a more comfortable range. Two other quick questions though. Does it sound like I've even found my head/mixed voice yet, or is that most likely still "unlocked" for me? I've tried to follow YouTube videos to use my head voice, but it just doesn't work no matter how many times I try. I've also read in some places that using your falsetto is what eventually unlocks your head voice. And then the other question, when I DO find a vocal coach, is it possible that I can unlock where I am in falsetto in my full voice within a year? If not, what's the likely amount of time it will take (or at least an estimate)? I know this is a lot I'm asking, but I honestly want to be able to sing my own music I've written, and I need to at least hit an A4 to do it. I've also been told here that you can eventually get your chest voice/full voice to where your falsetto, but it just takes time and work. I'm willing to put in the work, I'm just curious as to how much time it could possibly take. Thanks a lot guys, your responses were all great
  2. I haven't been here for a while, so hi. I've wanted to take lessons for a long time, but I haven't really gotten the chance. Instead, I've just been singing my own stuff or covers, and my voice has gotten a lot better (I've gotten quite a few compliments on it). I've developed kind of a belting/baritone voice, I think (kind of like Max Bemis from Say Anything, if you guys are familiar with him). I don't think it's been hurting my vocals, as I don't ever feel sore after doing it (and it's actually the most comfortable way I can hit my highest notes). But I'm still a little worried considering my falsetto range has gone from a comfortable B4 to an A4 that I have to force out (over the past 3 years). I only just turned 23, so I'm assuming it's natural, or maybe I really am damaging my voice. I really do plan to have a vocal coach soon, but is losing your falsetto around this age normal (especially if you weren't really using it much)? Then the normal range thing. My F#4 is much better than it used to be, but it's still hard to hit on some songs. Like I said, I haven't been taking lessons, and I haven't really been doing range exercises either, but I expected to be able to hit at least a G4 by now. Does this mean that F#4 is most likely my peak, or do range exercises make a world of a difference? My goal is to eventually hit an A4 in chest voice, but I'm kind of demotivated at the moment. If I do start taking lessons and doing the normal range exercises as much as possible, how fast will I likely be able to hit a G4? (If it's even possible, or if knowing is even possible) Thanks in advance
  3. By any chance does anyone have any before and after vocal comparisons? Either their own or someone else's? I'm just curious as to what the difference in quality would be, and anything is greatly appreciated. I'd also like to apologize for not having an avatar the past few times I've posted here.
  4. Sounding "Fine" is more than a compliment in this case. I was really scared to post a cover of SPs, seeing as Corgan's voice is incredibly distinct, and I have no hope of matching it in quality. Thank you for that. I definitely could've used a better song to suit my voice/comfortable range though. I have a few other questions (I keep asking more, but I'm just very curious): 1. Is that "fry" sound the raspy one that comes with singing too far down from your comfortable range? 2. How much does a typical laptop mic distort your voice (if it does at all)? How clear would the difference be with a professional mic and that screen thing? (don't really know much musical equipment jargon) 3. If you're singing too much and your chest feels slightly sore, is that indicative of using proper or improper technique? I used to kill my throat every time I sang, which doesn't really happen anymore (or very rarely), but I now feel very minor soreness in my chest if I sing a lot in one or two days. It's very similar to the soreness you get during the following days after working out at a gym. 4. How much does vocal training increase the quality of your voice? Is it sort of a "day and night" effect if done right? 5. Does singing within your lower range have any effect on your higher range? If I'm singing let's say, G2 to G3, will that eventually help with increasing my highest note from F#4 to G4, or do I have to kind of stretch my vocal range by hitting my highest notes? 6. Other than endurance, is there anything else that would improve if a heavy smoker were to quit?
  5. Sweet I like bass singers, I'm a huge fan of The National, but the tenor sound fits the genres I plan to be singing more(Rock/Punk-pop/Alternative) Edit: That's awesome! So there really is a lot a person can do with their voice regardless of what their starting range is. Thanks a lot for all the info/feedback man, I really appreciate it :)
  6. I can hit a few notes lower than the E on the 6th string (which I'm assuming is E2), except they aren't as powerful as the notes an octave above (not sure if that's normal or not). I don't know which note I can hit below that because the said vocal teacher always used a guitar during the sessions, but I know that the lowest E is where I'd start during the exercises. I was also only able to hit up to D on the B string when I first started(if C is the starting point of each octave, then I'm assuming that it's D4), and even that sounded pretty bad at first. Edit: I'm think it's a C#2 actually (just started at E2 on my guitar, went as low as I could go, and matched it with the octave higher). Again it's not as comfortable/powerful as hitting C3, but I can definitely reach it with my voice. I'd really prefer if I was a baritone rather than a bass though, assuming that puts a limit on how high I can go in regard to training my range.
  7. Wow, you guys are awesome You guys are right, I really do have to replace that friend. She doesn't do much more than feel me like crap on the norm. It's just hard because we have some mutual best friends. I'm actually bass singer trying to hit the tenor range, or at least that's what a vocal teacher who I had for about a month or two told me. Then again, he never really taught me how to sing from my diaphragm, and after every lesson I'd leave with a hurting throat, so maybe I'm a baritone. But I really don't think I'm a tenor, the highest note I can hit is F# on the high E/first string of a guitar, and sometimes I have problems hitting F and E My friends also do that whole "who sings this? Let it stay that way" thing, except it's ironically the ones who have told me I'm a good singer. I don't really ever sing in front of the other one. And thanks so much for the compliments guys, I'm quite excited about training my voice now. I intend on starting vocal lessons sometime next month, once I get paid and have the money for them. Edit: One more question (and 2 recordings). I can sing in 2 ways without stressing my throat, and they both produce slightly different sounds (one sounds deeper, the other higher). Am I just doing something wrong in one of them, or are they both correct ways of singing? I have two covers of Disarm by the Smashing Pumpkins to show you what I mean. (this one sounds deeper, I'm singing directly from my stomach the whole time, possibly the whole "tensing" up your diaphragm thing, it's also edited a bit, because I ran out of breath at points) (this one sounds a little higher. I kind of cared less about where I sang from, but I still made sure the air felt like it was flowing smoothly. I did mess up the second "burn" and the first line of the chorus, along with some other part, but I was also able to make it through the same length as before without running out of air and having to edit it) Also, I know that the the "woah" should be an oh, and I used a line from the second chorus in the second recording. Just in case you guys are Smashing Pumpkins fans and call that out. I also sometimes add "ohs" where they shouldn't be, which is quite ironic for the fact that I did that with this song, and messed up where the "oh" should be >.> So, minus the errors in each, in which one is my technique better? Again, thanks in advance Edit2: And the guitar is only the way it is because the action is REALLY messed up, so if I start to strum it like I normally would, it would start buzzing and sound really bad. It's also missing a string, I really need a new one.
  8. Oh lmfao, I didn't know he meant it literally Anyway, instead of posting covers, I've decided to post the same 2 mp3s that I've sent to other people I know. The guy who told me I sound like a dying cow years ago said, "Wow, that difference is amazing. You actually sound really good. Very punk like", and a few other friends said I have a nice voice. Then when I sent it to my other "friend", she never said anything about it at the time. Then 3 weeks later, I mentioned how bad of a singer "I used to be" at one point, and she's like, "you're still a bad singer, I never said you were good. People can't learn how to sing if they're bad to begin with." Then I asked her 3 times about whether or not she listened to the 2 mp3s, and the first two times, she just said, "people can't become a good singer from what you were in a year", and then the third time she said "yes", and that they were both "very hard to listen to". Anyway, here they are: Before: - WARNING: DON'T LISTEN TO MORE THAN 5-10 SECONDS OR YOUR EARS MAY EXPLODE. I am quite aware that I was a horrendous singer at this point After: - Probably the sappiest song I've written, hence the title (only partially complete as well). I know there are things I could've done better (my voice slightly cracked at "devil", for example, and the high notes can be much better). I also separated the chorus and verse on two tracks, because I had trouble connecting the two in one attempt (smoking), but I'm interested in feedback on the sound of my voice, not my endurance. So I don't really know what to think. I initially thought I improved A LOT and was proud, and now I think I'm just doomed to be a bad/mediocre singer (because of what my "friend" said), which sucks but meh.
  9. Thanks for everyone's input. I'm quite sure that it's more of a tone problem if anything (assuming that a pitch problem is just hitting the wrong notes). The "friend" who told me I was a bad singer listened to me a year ago, and back then, I without a doubt was singing like the guy from that other video (about the solar plexis), except I sounded even worse than he did. What does a "cartoon voice" sound like? I have a far different voice than anyone's I've seen here, but I don't think it's in a good way. I don't know how to describe the difference, but they definitely sound FAR better, without a doubt (even some people just starting out)7 On a side note, when singing all day or too much, is it normal for the bottom of your chest to feel weird/kind of sore?
  10. Alright, I'll try to put one up at some point tomorrow (I need sleep before singing anything). The lowering of the larynx may be my main issue then, or at least one of them. I've always aimed at singing from my diaphragm, but was never really aware of any other factors (other than storing air). Does the diaphragm getting tense while belting have anything to do with the larynx?
  11. I'm not quite sure to be honest... I would like to make the my tone more consistent, or just sound better overall, but I'd probably have to post a cover of something here for you guys to know where I should start (I'm guessing?)
  12. It's ironic that I'm making this post, because what I thought was using my diaphragm correctly the last time I posted here (around 2 years ago), turned out to be wrong again. So this is 6 years of on and off singing with terrible consistency of singing from my diaphragm. I really should've got a vocal coach to save me the time and humiliation. But I think I may be onto it this time. I am hardly ever off key from what I know, unless it's because a note is out of my range, or I run out of air. My main problem is that I will use my diaphragm during one attempt of singing, and have no problems (and I'll think I sound somewhat decent), but then I won't be able to get that same grasp of it another time (and I sound more nasally). Are there any tips you guys can give me for this? Also, my ex-band mate who referred to the sound of my voice as "the sound of a dying cow"(who for some odd reason told me I sounded like crap, but I have a lot of potential?... Maybe he just felt bad) recently heard me singing for the first time since the band days (2009). He commented by saying that the improvement is amazing, and that I actually sound "really good" (I personally only agree with his first statement). But I know that there's a lot I have to do to improve my technique before I start worrying about other things. So I come to this question... I always hear that any "bad" singer who isn't tone deaf, can become a decent singer, but can a "bad" singer actually be quite talented beneath their collection of bad habits? I'm not wagering that I'd be one of these exceptions, but it would be cool to think that anything is possible. I used to sound AWFUL, and now I have some friends telling me that I'm actually pretty good (but I'm definitely nothing compared to what I've been hearing in the Feedback sub-forum on here). Although I think there's still a lot I can improve involving technique, and I'm curious as to what accomplishing my goals can manifest. I ON THE OTHERHAND, don't think I sound all that great at the moment, mainly because a "friend" of mine has kind of killed my singing confidence by saying that I can never improve from what I was a year ago. And on another note, are there any tips anyone has for me? I still think of myself as a beginner, and I'd like to do something to change that as soon as I can. I'm also very sorry if there are some typos, or if I'm ranting without making much sense at any point, I've kind of been awake for 35 hours for various reasons >.> Thanks in advance.
  13. Actually I'm naturally a bass singer, and I'm pretty sure I'm at in between 2 and 3 octaves? Pretty much the G I'm talking about is the first G on the top E string(high) on the guitar. If that's the case, is there an even better chance that I should be able to get to the G/A on the string, given some time(and doing range exercises/taking vocal lessons)?
  14. I'm honestly not sure if this is the right forum but... here it goes: I've been singing on and off for about 3 years now. When I first started, I could only sing up to high E, and it sounded AWFUL. After realizing I sounded like garbage and I didn't know how to sing, I took vocal lessons for about 3 months, and I learned how to use my diaphragm and sing properly, though stupid me still would force notes I couldn't reach out for about a year and a half. I finally stopped doing that for the most part, but even with forcing notes, I managed to increase my range to about high F# and high B head voice/falsetto. But now I've written a lot of my own stuff, but enough of it requires me to hit G or even A at points(and sound like a solid note, not overly high/falsetto-ish). The thing is I CAN hit G fairly easily if it's connected to another note depending on the song. But I was trying to sing the chorus of Don't Look Back In Anger, and I can hit and hold the note and it sounds somewhat alright(not clean enough, but satisfactory note-wise) but it was forced, and the familiar sore throat feeling hit me again soon after(it was quite a few attempts though, and some other high range songs too). The thing is, I can hit and hold high F#, but even some songs with F are still hard for me to hit at times, depending whether it's a good or bad day(Pieces by Sum 41 for example). So I guess my main question is, if I can hit these notes and not sound entirely awful now just from singing like a monkey in the past, is there a good chance that I can get my range without falsetto up to high A or at least G with good quality if I start taking legitimate vocal lessons again and actually do range exercises? And in case it matters, I'm 19 years old(but I doubt that does) ONE MORE THING, and this will sound stupid for someone who's trying to become a better singer, I'm somewhat of a heavy smoker. I'm trying to quit ASAP, and I think I have enough motivation to do so, but regarding it: If I were to quit, should I expect to see an improvement in range? I know smoking affects your lung capacity which is crucial to singing, and yes you need a lot of breath for high notes, but what I'm really asking is if my initial dilemma would most likely fix itself if I did this? Like other than the breath, should I be able to hit higher notes after my lungs recover? So yeah, those are the two questions I have, and I really appreciate anyone's answers/advice :D