Tappivanukas

Hey man i heard it, your close but your vowelmods are abit all over the place wich throws it abit pitchy. Try this, im hearing that your closing down abit to much on the closed vowels specialy the ih/ee vowels.

Great explanation! I hear that too, that I close vowels too much and that makes my singing sound strangled and too tight sounding. I will try this too. Thanks man!

Is it flat or is it just me?

It still sounds like it's not a free configuration. Are you feeling strain?

I like the distortion though. I dunno what your teacher's having you do, but I think that lightening the mass would be apt. It's not only about the volume, it's rather the way you trust the headvoice to sound as badass as your chestvoice, and, in fact, how much more badass it sounds once you let it do most of the work.

Can you sing this song with literally only headvoice, but keep it connected? If not, there's something in the vowels you're not doing in an optimal way. Or that'd be my take on it. I'd still just try singing this lightly with a "ou" shape, then just add mass and open it up a bit.

Someone shoot me down if I'm wrong:

I used to think shaping vowels and "singing vowels" or "modifying vowels" was in relation to the phrases sung rather than pitch. It's more about keeping a certain vowel shape in your larynx/throat while singing the phrase. So you're singing phrases, but the "feel" of the phrase is kept on a certain vowel, usually a narrow one, when dealing with difficult notes. To try it out sing the first phrase on a narrow vowel, for example, "ou," which forces you to keep your mouth very narrow. Then just relax and open your mouth wider and the vowel will sound more like "ae" but your throat will feel like it's still singing "ou." this feeling is definitely not strain, more of a release.

Doing it like Dio is easier (not easy) once you do it like Sanchez first.

HEAVEN AND HELL Coheed and Cambria:

I don't feel straining or hoarse at all. I can keep singing like that for hours.

I try to sing it with lighter configuration at weekend and maybe when I have time I record it. I know it's not as free sounding as I would want, but now it sounds better to me. Your suggestion to sing little less volume really helped me. Thanks for your advices!

Ok, here is new version of me singing "Heaven and Hell". 

I've been training distortion lately, so I thought I would like to try it. Now it sounds more that I like. I also didn't sing so loud this time and that helped too to get better tone. I forgot to sing the "On and on and on" part with ah vowel,   but tone is better this time so it doesn't matter to me.

Give me your opinions, thanks.

It's your vowel use. For this song, you are doing a lot of "oh." Dio was more of an "ah" and even a rolled back a, like in cat, for rasp, kind of guy. 

 

Try it again with the different vowel. And it's ah-n ah-nd an, ah-nd ah-n, h-eh-v-ah-n ahnd h eh l ... ah, w eh l

Hey you are right! I have to listen vowels more carefully and try this again. Thanks for the advice!

Hi Tapp,

 

I love this song... it has one of the best grooves in all metal... and DIO was one of the best... always will be.

 

I don't think your singing in this song is all that bad?  I sense you are being too hard on yourself, the intonation is good and your voice seems to be holding up relatively well. You need to understand that at 22, your voice is still weaker then its full potential. Your voice doesn't get to its full potential until your 30s and 40s.... 20-something year olds can sometimes have a weaker system to work with, but that doesn't mean that you can't beef it up... you can, but when it comes to belting, youth is not always a better thing. So you have to build the strength.

 

There is intrinsic musculature that needs to be developed to make this sound more beefy and to give you a sense of more control and stability in your singing. The solution is fairly easy.

 

I offer a program titled, "The Four Pillars of Singing"... it is a comprehensive vocal training program, it covers just about everything anyone could ask for in a home study program. In particular for you, it offers a detailed set of belting techniques that consist of onsets (how you start a note... designed to build strength) and certain vowel training formulas that will help you isolate the musculature you need to belt better. It is helping a lot of my students like you, get stronger.. it has helped me get stronger!  I hate to sound like I'm just trying to sell you my program... I am, but know that this honestly is the BEST way I can help you. It is the best answer I can give you. The belt techniques in the program are not simple enough to just write out here on a forum comment box... it doesn't really work that way. There is no "quick secret tip" to this sort of training... it has to be explained to you, demonstrated to you (in videos) and provided to you with training routines and instructions... but I will say this... if you were to commit to this program and take three lessons with me, I will show you training techniques that will make this song and all songs sound a lot stronger... guaranteed... but you have to make the commitment and do the training. What you are asking for, is is a "free tip" on a forum... even if someone gives you one, if you don't have the program and content to train the idea and a teacher to follow up with to validate that your doing it properly, you will not fix your problem.  Give me a chance to help you... 

 

 

 

 

Thanks Robert for you reply! It's great to hear positive opinion about my voice. I'm a little perfectionist and maybe I'm just shocked how I really sound. I understand that I'm in the beginning of my singing journey. Thanks for your offer, I've been planning to buy your program at some point. Right now I can't afford it, but when I get some money I will definitely buy it!

Hello!

I'm 22 year old guy and I've been singing now little over six months. I have taken 6 CVT lessons and I tried Ken Tamplins program which I didn't care for very much. When I started taking lessons the highest note I could hit was F#4 and now it is A5. The lowest note I can hit is B1. So thanks to great lessons and teacher I got my range working.

Now my problem is my tone that I don't really like. To me it sounds kind of whiny and it doesn't sound natural. I've got pretty low speaking voice (somewhere around E2) so singing high isn't the most natural thing for me, even it is now easier. I like 70's and 80's rock and Dio is my favorite singer and I'm chasing tone like he had. I think his tone was really full sounding, meaty and rich.

Here is my trying to sing Black Sabbaths Heaven and Hell: 

Tell me what you think and tell me if you have any advice how to get richer and fuller tone.

Sorry if there are mistakes, my English is little bit rusty...