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  1. Very cool post jens! Your defintion makes sense. I just only recently started using the "Messa di Voce" onset and it's been working wonders, not only has it helped me bridge better on a descending scale but it's the onset that gives me the clearest nicest and most isolated tone by far. Also if I allow myself to get windy (no pun intended) while going up, and then engage compression alot of the exercises seem to work alot better. All the onsets are great troubleshooters but this one seems to be helping the most at the moment. I didn't think of using it to actually train resistance vowels to build strength.... Makes sense This!!!! Placement seems to be a huge part of getting compression to work for you..... (I just deleted a thread I posted about open glottis and placement because this seems more to the point) P.S. I think that mabye..... just mabye I'm starting to understand your lingo guys hehe
  2. You might be right, however in this case the person that started the thread already stated the method and the anacronym was explained
  3. Brilliant! Thanks alot, this makes alot of sense. When I do succesfully bridge on a descending siren, I feel something else engage, I'm guessing that it's the TA muscles. So that you can get good placement and disengage the constrictors first..... So I'll be sure to do these onsets later in my workout then. Thanks guys for your consistently helpfull advice ;)
  4. This forum really is helpfull, I've been having the same problem which I was trying to remedy with Q&R. As my head voice doesn't sound windy I assume that the same advice works. I haven't been doing C&R or A&R onsets at all, as they strengthen the intrinsic muscles am I right to assume that they also help to create more twang? Thanks in advance
  5. lool I'm having trouble following. I will say this, I recently realised that my French speaking voice grinds down my voice quite harshly and that the English one is much healthier. I think more twang-like elements are used in English, so I have been trying to integrate those elements into my French speaking voice, it has made my accent stronger but my voice seems to be getting healthier. France is known for having alot of smokers (the french governement had a deal with a tobacco company and would give cigarettes to people during their obligatary military service), but even with that taken into account it is astonishing the amount of people that have really trashed their speaking voices and I don't think that it's just down to lifestyle. It seems to me that many Americans have brighter voices than the British, you tend to hear them in a crowd when they visit Europe, they might have healthier habits... That's my two cen........ Tuppence ;)
  6. hehe it kind of makes sense, if in hollywood you flirt by being smooth and lighting a girls cigarette with style, in bollywood you sing!
  7. lool mike! That's not fair though Indians sing all the time. One of my Indian friends told me that guys often follow her around singing, apparantly its how they pick up the ladies!
  8. In retrospect I probably could have called this post "trouble concentrating" lool. Yes but actual singing takes some time to tire me out. Surely when learning new coordinations at the beggining you shouldn't overdo it in one session. It really is the hyperactivity, I start out working on my breathing (I've always done that even before I started training) and then start training with good posture/support etc... and then I get distracted and end up doing scales all day while reading or whatever (hence bad posture, little support etc...). It's really become an awfull habit. Heres where I am, I seemed to have learned everything backwards, I have an alright amount of twang in m2 now, larynx control, a few vowel modifications under my belt and little or no constriction but my bridging seems to raddically change from day to day. Hence the thread, so I suppose I could ask another question instead. At this point would it make more sense to work for 2-3 hours a day of proper work with good posture etc... or is it possible that I would benifit more from short sessions of 45mins to an hour. Ron has pretty much convinced me to go with the latter but I would be very interested to find out what kind of routines worked best for you when you first started (if you can remember of course).
  9. Hey Ron, I'm really sorry it took me so long to reply! Let's just say that I got distracted hahaha In any case that's a great story! I'm certain now that it has been affecting my training sessions and that I really just need to get down 45 mins a day of focused work, rather than a few hours of unfocused work. As for your story, I find that it really can be a blessing or a curse, when you don't have the same basic way of functioning as other people, it can be difficult to be on the same wavelength. I either end up bringing people to my way of thinking at the risk of monopolising the conversation (I seem to get away with it thanks to humour) or just shutting up. The best way i've found of describing it is having a brain like a pinball machine! I've found that I know so many things just out of pure curiosity, but that in a class situation it just has never really worked. Anyway the forum is about vocal technique and not ADHD but let me just say that I would have killed to have a teacher like you as a kid and I relate to everything your saying So thanks for the input and I'll remember to think about it each time I train!
  10. Yeah tuning the others out for a while, that is a good way of putting it! My understanding is that you know your parts well and you do fine when your just with your section. If that's the case from there on out it's just a mental game really!
  11. I went to one choir once, where the choir master who would dim the lights and get everyone to walk around the room, so that you couldn't rely on others to remember your line and not get distracted, that's a whole other level but I thought it was a brilliant idea!
  12. I used to sing in the tenor section of a choir, it was split into tenor/baritone/alto /soprano. There were about 20 of everthing else and only 4 tenors myself included. I also sang louder than the others, at first it really helped me to tone it down a bit until I was 99% sure of my line and able to perform it without getting distracted by the others. If you are next to people who are singing the same line as you, sing slightly quieter and listen to them until you get the hang of not being distracted by the others, it seems to just be the context that is putting you off. I found that after doing that for a while my confidence in my ability to sing without getting distracted came back, even to the point where I could pay attention to the other sections and actually appreciate it without getting distracted. When you get to that point, choir singing works wonders for your musical ear in general! So yeah keep at it try and focus on on the two or three people to either side of you, and you should get the hang of it, everyone has the same problem, mabye even ask a few of the people from your section to practice with you alone, so that you get used to having them as a frame of reference. It's just practice mate, it will come Hope that helps a bit!
  13. I've been doing pretty well over the last couple of weeks, I had a real problem with the diastric muscle but mostly I have a real problem with Post nasal drip, I have done for years, so much so that when I thought it was alright it actually wasn't. I do everything, steam irrigate etc.. all pretty gross. Last week I had a mild case of Tonislitus, so I started sleeping with my head propped up and guess what when I tried out a few things (still sick) lo and behold!! Everything fell into place my twang felt and sounded fantastic in comparison. So I waited for a few days and tried out some stuff, and I managed to add more weight on in head voice, of course I started to get ahead of myself so I'm back to working on building as good a bridge as I can now. All very motivating in any case, I can feel that most of the elements are in place and that each workout is a step forward. It's a bit like I wasn't fully able to enjoy the fruits of my work, and now that I've cleared up the sinus issue, I can! Anyway off the cigs, am vaping and I can't wait to see what the next lesson brings!
  14. Great posts! I think that you guys are right! For example the other day I was just working on bridging correctly whereas normally it would be 10 minutes on this 10 on that etc... Bridging correctly is currently my weakest point rather than twang, larynx control or open throat. As for concentration, thanks for making that point. I have adult ADHD, and now that I think about it, I tend to start off my practice sessions well and then my mind wonders and I tend to half-arse it. Far better to do 45 mins/1 hour of effective training than do well and then proceed to undo your work. That said it's not an illness, in fact I find that a bit of hyperactivity goes a long way in music, especially for improv/ jamming ;)
  15. lool no... I'm not playing any shows at the moment, I was out of town at a festival and so I didn't sing for a week because It would have been a bit rough on my voice. I sang today for the first time in a week and sang for longer than I should have. That part really does'nt matter. The point is that I felt alot of progress after just doing 45 mins a day than doing 2 hours and I was wondering if that sounds normal and what your personal experiences with how long you train for per day. P.s I'm not playing any shows at the moment because as an untrained singer I used to always just belt chest, no bridge at all, I'm trying to get away from that :/