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It depends on the audience. As Robert notes, your timing in the song is markedly different from the original, which most people are going to expect. And your melody line is different than the original, which would also be expected by most. As a work of art, I liked it. As far as world-class, is the original singer world class? Would someone consider Geoff Tate world class? I ask, even though I am big fan of him, prefer his voice over Todd's, even give him quarter in the debacle with Queensryche, like his wine, Insania, like his Roadking (HD Bagger that he rides to Sturgis.) And I have covered two songs by QR, including this one, which was the hardest, because of the low notes.
Thanks so much for the follow-up. To be clear, I wasn't at all trying to mimic the melodies or timing of Geoff Tate. I haven't heard the original version for years, intentionally, because I want to resist the temptation to imitate while I'm working to develop my own sound.
So, to seek some clarification, are my melodies and timing bad, per se, or simply different from the original? Or, maybe put another way, if you'd never heard the original before, would you have thought the song well-sung? Along those lines. I think you may have answered this when you said you liked it as a work of art.
Yeah, "world-class" is tough to define, and such a personal thing, anyway. When I say "world class", I'm first referring to rock singers as opposed to all singers, which would include opera and theater. So, the 9's and 10's might be guys like Tate, Steve Perry, Freddie Mercury, Chris Cornell, Robert Plant, Bono, Bruce Dickinson, Dio, Miljenko Matijevic,— understanding that they might not be technically perfect, and there will still be people who don't like their voices.
I guess what I was after with the "scale of 1 to 10" thing, is an approximation. Maybe "10" could be "huge wow factor", "head turning", "awesome original sound", with the rest of the numbers falling off in quality.
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Hi Joe, I listened to your "Silent Lucidity".
I rather appreciate your original interpretation. I would not want to discourage that, however...
1). If you are going to "make it your own", you have to still remain within the boundaries of pitch and rhythm. Cutting to the chase here, your recording has too many missed rhythmic cues and intonation issues. You need to tighten this up Joe, just flat out being honest with you.
2). Interpretation should be a delicate balance. It is possible to go to far. I am not suggesting that you did go too far on this, but you pushed the envelope. Something you have to appreciate is not only do you have to do the song a TRIBUTE, but hard core Queensryche fans will tar and feather you for even trying to sing out of the box what so ever, so if you dare to try, it had better be subtle and spot on Joe. QR fans are going to chew you to pieces with this on YouTube.
3). Your Silent Lucidity track is not the best of tracks... I have a bed track of this that is a lot better... click on the bed tracks link on the home page and purchase it there to try this again with a better bed track.
Try it again Joe and don't color out side of the lines so much... watch your cues and for sure... pay attention to the notes, its pitchy.
I know you are working with the new "The Four Pillars of Singing" system and I know this song like the back of my hand Joe... I have sang it a thousand times and have coached it a hundred times. Why don't you do a skype lesson with me. We can review the Pillars training method and content...and work on this song. I have the lyrics and the vowel modifications already marked out.
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Hi Robert, and thanks for the review!
Couple of things,— No need to apologize for honesty, that's what I'm here for. I just bought the karaoke track you mentioned. Also, as you know, I can't do skype lessons as I don't have internet access at home where I can sing. I hope to see you for some work when I'm home next in May/June of next year.
To clarify something, I'm not at all attempting to sound or sing like Geoff Tate, though I do understand what you mean when you refer to the expectations of others at Youtube and elsewhere. I wanted to use the song to showcase the sound of my own voice and the way I like to sing.
So, yes, if there's pitch and timing errors, or issues with tonal quality, those are important. Not sounding like Tate, or singing his exact melodies, is less important (at least for the purpose of reviews at this forum).
If you don't mind, I'll work on it all week with the new backing track, I'll listen to the original version, and I'll record it over the weekend trying for more of a "tribute" attempt, and I'll post it in this thread on Monday. Thanks again!
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Just posting the link here is fine.
Interesting phrasing and melody choices but it is nice to hear a variation.
As for singing soft low, you might make it easier on yourself by making it easier on yourself. That is, relax into it and let the mic do the volume. Don't expect that you will sing the lowest notes as loud as you do others.
Thanks, ronws. I do actually try to sing low notes with a lot of volume. I'll try backing off tonight.
So was there nothing to like about the performance? Did anything in the two pre-chorus/chorus sections sound decent, i.e. good tone/timbre/resonation? Even if you could simply rate my voice on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being "world-class", 5 being "could front a medium quality local cover band, and "0" being "awful beyond imagination", that would help.
No obligation, though, I already appreciate what you've shared!
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Hi everyone! First post to the forum and first submission for review. Any impressions would be appreciated. If there's a section, phrase or even a word that you thought I sung well, please let me know. There's a bright edge coming into my higher range and I'm wondering if it sounds too bright, or squeezed, or forced. Any thoughts?
FYI,- I think it gets better as it goes along. I don't sing low and soft so well, yet.
Anyone know how to embed the Box.com player in this forum? Soundcloud rejected the upload for license issues.
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Perfect. Got it. In my younger days I used to try to imitate. Now, I'm focused on developing my own sound so I can start working on originals soon. These submissions will be using covers, but to showcase my sound. If pitch and rhythm are sloppy, that's huge to know. I'm going to tighten it up right away and I'll still try to bring in more of the "spirit" of the original. Thanks.