Collin571

I liked it some.

I really like the way you start off, I think you could use some better intonation on your high notes.  It sounds good but it could sound even better I'm betting.  Also you have a very RnB style voice and I prefer more of a punk rock kinda vibe.  You sound almost like a classically trained singer and I just feel as though your voice could sound a bit more poppy with some sound color variation.  I would just play around with imagining how you sing differently and don't listen to how you sound as an indicator of how well you're singing, try to forget you're even singing but don't zone out and remember to enjoy yourself.

I liked the distortion on this.  Found it interesting that it most always started on the letter I which is a glottal attack.  You went a little soft on it after the first time around 1:59, I know those are the high notes but would've sounded great if you kept some of that compression.

Thanks for the comments JavaStorm,  I wanted to have the last chorus sound forceful and a bit strained but in an emotional kind of way not a lacking support kind of way. 

That is good advice Jon thank you.  I think I know what parts you're talking about with the breath running out and sounding spoken not sung, could you give me an example so I know for sure?  There was some falsetto sprinkled in but it was intentional.  As for the chest voice/vs head voice thing I'm not sure I was trying to keep a consistent timbre not sure if it's head voice or chest I feel very little vibration when I sing (unless I sing nasally) so it's hard to tell where the resonance lies.  I do have a heady belty voice that I can use but sounds iffy at times and I can use pure light headvoice but it's not as good as it has been.

Also I need help with my mic if anyone can, I can't find a good balance of gain for the high notes and Idk if it's my equipment or my settings.

Let me know what you guys think.

https://clyp.it/q500koz2

On 9/24/2016 at 7:22 PM, Jeremy Mohler said:

Thanks a lot man, I actually still had the project files so I just removed everything but the guitar and voice original track. http://picosong.com/TKma/

Overall it was good.  Liked all of it, really liked some of it.  I can see what you're getting at.  The badummdahdumm parts you should sing those harder not lighter imo.

43 minutes ago, JonJon said:

trust me...there isnt a lot of thought going into it once I step to the mic. In the end im just trying to let whatever is inside of me come out

at my age its simply impossible to tell where some of the stuff comes from...since I have been hearing music for almost 50 years

That's what she said, anyway I think it would sound better done simpler.  Breathier easy tones as opposed to compressed forceful vocals.

it's like the difference between this performance and the next one, you'd only have to listen to the opening to get what I mean.

you have good head voice.  Also I love how you used an aggravated exhale rather than the eff word on time of your life lol.  Stylistically you're going to need to learn how to anchor your sound deeper in your chest as you ascend in pitch if you want to sound powerful or belty. 

your mix is definitely getting better,  I like the scream at 1:50.  Also the nonono at the end was funny in a good way.  Certain parts of it had too much character like I'd rather hear it done simpler, more jonjon rather than whoever you're trying to emulate. 

That was nice. Your voice has kind of an 80s feel or maybe it was just the song.  I think it was good but it was missing a dramatic element, a difference in intensity might do the trick.  Idk what it was but it was almost too stable like there was no risk involved.  Please take everything I say with a grain of salt cause I have overstepped my boundaries in the past and my opinion is quite amateur.

Your tone gave me goosebumps a few times in the beginning.  I can hear you have a strong chest voice but were holding back from breaking into head voice during this song which is a good objective but you need just a little bit more support for some of the belts.  As far as sounding like Micheal Bolton goes you nailed that nail straight on the head but your lack of control took me out of the song a couple times.  As soon as you get more command over your voice I would listen to your songs on the daily.

13 hours ago, Gneetapp said:

Hi Collin, I liked your timbre in this song. I think you should check your input levels, as you started to distort when you got louder. Also, as Rob has already pointed out, you need to improve pitch. I almost fainted imagining myself singing this song. It is so wordy that I would have a hard time trying to sing it. Good job

thanks Gnee! I didn't notice the pitch issues till the 2nd time listening through.  You're not talking about the vocal fry right with the distortion I've been drifting in and out of vocal fry coincidentally in my singing lately.  Luckily I'm going to be getting TFPOS really soon so i'll go from being a badass to being a super duper ultra badass.

15 hours ago, Gneetapp said:

Thanks again man! I totally agree with you, resonance plays such an important part in singing. Sometimes when I get to practice head voice only, if I find my sweetspot the sound gets way louder and it becomes almost effortless. It is really amazing.

Yes it totally becomes so much easier!  Just don't try to chase after completely effortless singing I was doing that for a while and it was not to my benefit lol.

Cues are still a bit iffy.  This was first take.  Pretty proud of the direction I'm taking with my singing!  Hope you guys enjoy and any constructive criticism is appreciated.

On 7/19/2016 at 6:33 AM, Gneetapp said:

Thanks Collin. I felt it was easier to keep the flow and beat of this one better than the A-Ha song. I have been trying to stay away from distortion as much as I can until I am able to use it in a healthy way. I actually thought of using some distortion in the high parts of the chorus to make it thicker, but ended up focusing on singing the right notes the best I could lol. I am going as loud as I can at the moment in the chorus. But I know I could go much louder once I get strong enough to add more "meat", as I've been singing the chorus with a lighter approach. Thanks again man!

That's smart clean tones are more enjoyable imo as well.  Try what I was talking about in the other thread about trying to keep it down, I was singing this way the other day at work and when i hit the vowel it came out loud clear and pangy with lots of vibrato and I wasn't even expecting that.  It was like woah I was trying to make myself sound less loud and ended up sounding more loud when I opened up for the vowel.. I'm guessing it's cause I had more resonance than I thought I was going to have on that note.

Tight!  Good flow I feel like at some parts you could've broke through the tension with some distortion and a higher intensity.  I think a higher intensity will help you make this song sound edgier.  Are you going as loud as you can on this or are you holding back some?

I like how at 1:53 she changes into a different voice and then perfectly layers the Jefferson airplane accent over that, that leading up to the ending belt which was great.  Overall awesome job.

On 7/12/2016 at 8:52 PM, ronws said:

You need to re-read and absorb Robert's reply. If you think it is horrible, why should we bother listening to it? Are you waiting for "OMG, you are the best singer ever and quit criticizing yourself"?

That's going to be a long wait, so you might order a pizza.

Instead, work on the song, make it the best that you can. One of my pet peeves is when people want to give all these conditions and disclaimers up front. Forget all that. I don't want to read about that. I want to hear you singing as best as you can. And that is what Robert is asking for. 

Might you still have some things that need work? Maybe, and those comments will happen.

I have been guilty of recording songs I liked that don't really sound right in my voice, especially in the original arrangement. So, I have been where you are. Instead, I really examine my recordings and I have a few I have worked on that I have not shared because I know it's not sounding right. I might play with them some more. Maybe not. So, my work ethic is also improving and it also explains why I have not posted anything in a while. I am becoming more choosy and there may be few here thinking "Hallelujah, about stinking time." 

So, re-think what you are doing.

Yeah only I get to be the best singer ever and recognized as such by TMVW.. and I also get pizza go figure

16 hours ago, ronws said:

Okay, those links worked. You are off pitch and it is not just a matter of singing a song relative to itself but in a different key. There is no consistency to suggest another key. That is important because instead of a deficiency in hearing the key of the song which might make you consistently a half-tone away in either direction, what it means is that you are not hearing yourself and your notes in relation to the music. So, you need to work on that. If you do not have access to an instrument you can find tone files online. And you may have to continue to record yourself and listen back. Are you listening back now and can you not hear the difference between what you are singing and what the music is?

It's been said that there are no tone-deaf people. I try to stay from such grandiose statements.

Second, articulation. Singing is different than speaking, forever and amen and I don't care how stubbornly someone else may want to hold on to the idea that it is and they would easily and in dedicated fashion beat their head against a brick wall until it is a bloody, pulpy mess, having died proud and mistaken, this is not the hill one should die on. Give it up. So, that means quit reciting the lyrics but sing them as notes of a musical instrument. You are not hear to sing as a kiwi, aussie, or a proper brit. Can others do it? Yes, and a big woohoo for them. For others, it is best start plain and simple and bring the fancy stuff back in later.

And stay away from the harsh consonants and fricatives.

Your k sound is actually, to my ears, a ch sound. It is so pronounced in the chorus "walk away" and it is distracting. You need to soften that to more of a g or softer, even,

is D a harsh consonant cause it sure seems like it to me, especially when ending words.

53 minutes ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

Collin

Did you manage to download the .mp2 link, the one I uploaded first, or just the first one (the .mp4 video)

So are you saying I can work this song if I get vocal twang  exercise from a teacher/ coach?

All I can see from  diaphragmatic muscles is the it is a muscle used for breathing

Have you had singing lessons in the past for your self Collin?

No I took choir all four years of highschool though.  And made it into chamber choir lol my voice was terrible back then though,  I just know from experience what your voice starts off sounding like when you first start recording is not the same as what it will be with practice and plenty of changes.

1 minute ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

You have to download these ones

Did you try it? what happened when you pressed the link?

I'm not trying to download it, I trust you but it's a good policy we have about uploading rather than downloading.  Put it on soundcloud my freend.

you have good compression, flow and placement when impersonating Amy Winehouse, I could hear your voice pull into vocal fry on 'me and my head held high' on 'and'.  Do more impersonations and cover more songs and your voice will continue to get better.

well the supports not terrible for what you're presenting but the flow for a completely resonant sound is going to be much harder until you train your diaphragmatic muscles.