I just wanted to say thanks for everyone taking time to comment. I will take this advice and continue to work. I understand about the guitar, I guess I just think it helps guide me ( at least somewhat). Not to beat a dead horse, but, if you were at , say an open jam, and you heard what I was doing, is it one of those things that make you cringe inside and think this guy needs to forget trying to sing? I know that I will improve , at least some, with time and work but I guess I'm just trying to gage where I am today....if that makes sense. I know I've been to jams, open mic nights etc and I've heard other people sing and I think "someone should tell them that was the wrong key, off pitch etc"....again just looking for honest comments. Thanks again, this is a really good forum.