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Oh won't you, show me my fach?...

11 hours ago, muffinhead said:

It seems to me that there are 2 types of beginner male singers regarding head voice: those who resort to a strained, pushy, shouty belt-like phonation, and those who resort to a near-falsetto or falsetto phonation. I was definitely the first, and it seems like you were too. 

I was the first type too bro! lol

6 hours ago, Rockstar said:

@Daniel, I wanted to read whatever you posted but something's wrong with the forum. 
Here's my siren: 

Here's me singing without cry (upto E flat) after that I have to cry or add support to go higher and hence cannot carry the 'pretty' clear tone up. 
 

So, in the first clip you sang up to a C5/C5#. And in the 2nd clip it sounded like a light head voice to me. I think this is a classic example of the difference between singing notes or sirens and singing songs with words. So, the guys might be right, and you need to strengthen your chest voice up to your passaggio.

21 minutes ago, Sexy Beast said:

I would bet on the opposite but I might be wrong.

That is exactly what is going on now: we are just beting on what is going on based on Rockstar's description, which might not even be accurate.

4 minutes ago, Rockstar said:

I do not choke on the high notes, I left that thing years before. Now the sound gets weird but there is no strain. What do you mean by "resonating on the soft palate"? So the soft palate must rise which gives you that yawn like sensation and the resonance ascends. right?

Any exercises you recommend? cuz I'm on my own for now. Can you post a clip of you doing a siren that I may imitate? 

Dude, I honestly think you should be the one posting a clip. Without an audio it gets really hard to identify the problem you are going through just by text. You say you can sing up to C5, but it sounds "not beautiful", right? You could be singing too heavy below your passaggio and when you go through or try to sing just past it (above it) you might be singing in falsetto, or not even that, as you used the word "squeal". Post a few octave sirens going through your passaggio, and people can give you better tips and fixes. All the best

9 minutes ago, Rockstar said:

I would not be posting here if I could actually get a real teacher but my current circumstances don't allow it.

That is headvoice? What!? How do I achieve that sound anyways. I am on my own for few years so I'm trying my best to achieve a working range upto A#4.

I can sing upto C5 without breaking but it sounds weird and unbalanced. I can sing beautifully till E4 after that I have to change my vocal tone to stay connected not that the sound breaks into falsetto or becomes shouty but the resonance dampens and feels closed off.
I'm confused. In SLS they say to not lift the soft palate yet advise to lower larynx and cry into the notes which actually raises the soft palate.
 

Hi Rockstar, may I humbly suggest you to post a clip of you singing parts of a few songs that you feel you do well, and other that you don't, and even maybe octave sirens spanning your passaggio. I have to agree with JonJon, if you can actually sing up to C5 connected, without flipping into falsetto, you are in your head voice/mix already.

Yeah! It just happened to mine too. Actually, it didn't eat my post, just changed it...

4 minutes ago, JonJon said:

Basically those guys you posted are just singing in basic head voice. you need to learn to get the sound out of your throat and up more into the hard and/or soft palate.

IMO they are not

2 hours ago, Rockstar said:

Okay I've been training with Brett Manning's programs for about 3 years now. Got better but I'm frustrated with my vocal range. A vocal range upto A#4 is all I want for my singing. I'm a Tenor.
So I've been hearing these concepts related to high notes. What I've realized is that people refer to the same thing by saying stuff like yawn, lift soft palate, cry and support. Also is the 'cry' necessary to hit the high notes in full voice cuz it sounds weird to me when I keep a cry on my notes.

What are they doing? Singing in mix? Belting? Also would that be more towards SLS or classical typa technique.

Thanks!

Hi Rockstar, I have to agree with Sexy Beast on this. What is your current usable/singable range? Where are you currently breaking? Cheers

1 hour ago, Jeremy Mohler said:

Let's see if we can get some fathers misty eyed hahahaha... really beautiful tune with great lyrics and most importantly for me, very easy in my range.  Enjoy

http://picosong.com/DzJh/

Great timbre Jeremy! I love this song, man! And you really did it justice! I don't have any technical advice for you, only to record it seriously with separate tracks and metronome, you know, the whole nine yards. So, you have such a bright timbre that I bet you are a tenor, although you may not know yet how to access your high notes. I was wondering how you got the effect on the voice, if it was doubling (recorded twice x copied and pasted with offset) or a really short delay. I also liked the part when you added the keys. Great job! Put it on your set list

8 hours ago, Collin571 said:

thanks Gnee! I didn't notice the pitch issues till the 2nd time listening through.  You're not talking about the vocal fry right with the distortion I've been drifting in and out of vocal fry coincidentally in my singing lately.  Luckily I'm going to be getting TFPOS really soon so i'll go from being a badass to being a super duper ultra badass.

Yeah! I can totally relate to that Collin. I always do this too. Regarding the distortion, I may be mistaken (it would not be the 1st or last time), but I don't think it is fry, cause it sounds like overloading the mic. It could be your doing fry/distortion and getting to loud and overloading the mic. Like you, I'm planning on getting TFPOS too. Cheers

As I know you just started training with The Four Pillars, I think you did a good job, man. I am not sure if you recorded everything in one take (I'm assuming you did), but as a fellow guitar player I would like to humbly suggest you to use backing tracks, or record the guitar in one take, and then record vocals in another track. This way you can focus 100% in your singing. It helps tremendously when students start practicing or recording songs. I don't consider myself a beginner in singing, but I notice a big difference when I do it. Although I'm getting better at coordinating both activities, at least in some songs. Also, if I may suggest you not to mimic the original singer's lack of enunciation. I found it very hard to understand the lyrics, so I listened to the original, and realized that it is not your fault. Nevertheless, way to go. Keep on Rocking! 

13 hours ago, Collin571 said:

Cues are still a bit iffy.  This was first take.  Pretty proud of the direction I'm taking with my singing!  Hope you guys enjoy and any constructive criticism is appreciated.

Hi Collin, I liked your timbre in this song. I think you should check your input levels, as you started to distort when you got louder. Also, as Rob has already pointed out, you need to improve pitch. I almost fainted imagining myself singing this song. It is so wordy that I would have a hard time trying to sing it. Good job

8 minutes ago, Collin571 said:

Yes it totally becomes so much easier!  Just don't try to chase after completely effortless singing I was doing that for a while and it was not to my benefit lol.

Yeah, I'm not really after that. But I made great progress in dialing down my sound pressure 

1 hour ago, ronws said:

I listened to this again and liked it even more and I can hear now that this song really suits your voice and vice versa. And you may find, as I have found for myself, with any given singer, covering some songs works out good and others not so much. For example, I think I sounded good on Dio's "Holy Diver" but kind of weak on "Rainbow in the Dark."

Thank you so much for your kind words my friend. It really means a lot to me.

2 hours ago, Jeremy Mohler said:

HELL YEAH man!  This is one of my all time favorites... great mix and great feel brother!  Seriously carried the song very well, enough so that I was able to jam to it just like the original.  Keep up the good work man!

You are too kind Jeremy! Thank you so much, man. Your words just made my day!

8 hours ago, Collin571 said:

That's smart clean tones are more enjoyable imo as well.  Try what I was talking about in the other thread about trying to keep it down, I was singing this way the other day at work and when i hit the vowel it came out loud clear and pangy with lots of vibrato and I wasn't even expecting that.  It was like woah I was trying to make myself sound less loud and ended up sounding more loud when I opened up for the vowel.. I'm guessing it's cause I had more resonance than I thought I was going to have on that note.

Thanks again man! I totally agree with you, resonance plays such an important part in singing. Sometimes when I get to practice head voice only, if I find my sweetspot the sound gets way louder and it becomes almost effortless. It is really amazing.

It is actually called "lift up and pull back". But yes, it is one way of doing it. As I am not familiar with the technique I cannot help you with that. I would suggest you to, if you can afford, to take a few lessons with a good vocal coach (several right here at the forum) and or get a singing method and train hard. Cheers

It doesn't sound crappy Simon. But you are definitely not connecting your registers. You start with oh in relaxed (probably unsupported) tone, and then you switch to eh and falsetto/head voice. And in the other recording you are straining and not doing a siren or slide. You just yell the note. You have a good voice, that is why I suggested you to learn technique, so you can sing the songs you like without choking. I think that you will not improve if you just keep singing songs without learning and practicing the correct techniques and building strength and muscle memory. All the best

1 hour ago, Simon Öhlund said:

Well i think it sounds good. I dont care if it sounds off tune or off pitch im gonna sing this song tomorrow infront of an audience. Diamonds and rust.

Simon, this is not the first time you say something like this! So, if you don't care, or if you think it sounds horrible (as you mentioned a few times in other threads), why in the world should we spend our time reviewing any song from you?! Several people, including myself and Robert, have already told you in different threads that you need to train seriously if you really want to improve your singing. If you are not willing to work hard to overcome your technical difficulties there is no point in posting the same songs over and over again. Have you noticed that no one (except me and Robert) took their time to comment on this thread? As I've been here for some time, I can tell you that is not just their busy schedules or that they are being mean to you. It is simple like that: if you are not putting your time on this, they aren't either. Peace

1 hour ago, Jeremy Mohler said:

Practice, practice, practice.  I've heard your voice in multiple covers, it's well within your grasp man.  Find a song you love that is double tracked (a LOT of Beatles songs are) and learn the hell out of it.  Get it down to the finest nuance and just keep replicating the take. 

Thanks for the encouragement and support Jeremy. I might try it someday.

12 minutes ago, Jeremy Mohler said:

Thanks brotha.  And of course you could do a double track!  If you can sing in pitch for one vocal, you can do it for two.  

Singing on pitch is one thing, singing the exact same melody at the same time I find just a bit harder...

Hi Simon, I think it sound better, but you are off pitch in some places, especially in the chorus, when you also sound the most constricted. I would like to add that your voice really suits this kind of music especially in the medium notes. You just need to learn how to transition to the higher parts (bridge your registers) and also practice it a lot to create muscle memory.

It sounds really good Jeremy, and so impressively similar to John's timbre. You did such a great job on the double tracking. I seriously doubt I could do something like that. I noticed the slightly off-pitch parts too, and volume drop outs in some high parts, when you probably go very soft. But other than that, it is really solid. Good job

20 minutes ago, Simon Öhlund said:

Yes its a hard song to sing without choking on the high notes. I am a baritone and the c5 is the hardest note.

Yes, I agree it is a hard song to sing indeed. But You are singing constrained throughout the whole song, and you are not singing the highest notes, just using distortion, probably because the straining became unbearable, and you chocked. That is exactly why I suggested you to learn good technique, so you would be able to sing the songs you love. Additionally, being a baritone (even if you really are) is not the reason why you can't sing those notes my friend. It is simply lack of technique. You can believe me because I used to have the same limitation. The difference is, as I didn't know about tenors or baritones, I used to think my voice was not made to sing those songs. Cheers