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Thanks MagicBus.. Take hold of the flame is a lot tougher!!
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Lovely job. This is one of my favorite Pink Floyd songs and you did a great job. And is that accent Italian? There might be others who are critical, but to me it adds a layer of authenticity to the song..
I feel inspired to sing this myself now
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I like it!, in some first moments your voice looks like David Bowie to me.
To improve your singing in this song i´d like to be more intense (or more chest voice) in some parts.
The first verses of the song are awesome to me, great feeling
Interesting you should say that Denis. David Bowie has a really rich baritonal quality on his low notes. Me, I don't have the easy power and majesty of David or Geoff. One of the reasons why I chose to sing this song. It is a good barometer for validating any progress.. I would sing this half a step higher and it might be more comfortable for me. Thanks for your kind words..
Great Job Aravind! I liked your timbre throughout the song and how you managed to pass a sense of fragility. However, for my taste, I would've liked even more if you sounded a bit heavier in the first part, when you sang really low. When you get to the medium/high pitches you were perfect! Congrats man, you are doing well! Keep rocking!
It is going to take some time before I can add weight on my lower notes. They are not my strongest part of my voice and yes, I am a lot more comfortable singing the medium/high range for this song. It is just a fantastic song to sing.
I'm really digging this. Your voice sounds great. Retains your personality but has a warmth. It has strength and affection. You made it your own and I honestly don't have critique. I could point out things that are different from the original, but to me that's good.
I will say if you lean from this position into a belt on your heavier songs, I think that might help you retain some warmth in the timbre and prevent some of the nasality from overwhelming the tone the next time you try one of the beltier songs.
This is just good progress and a great song to choose at this point.
Thanks Killer. As always I really appreciate the time and effort you put into giving detailed feedback. Always gives me something to think about. About leaning into a beltier position, I think my technique is not too off, but I need to do a mental adjustment and work on the songs harder. A fully belty song is not that tough, but for e.g. like my last queen cover, it is only when the song changes rapidly between soft and beltier dynamics, I get into all kinds of problems. I think I have sufficient confidence now to try something more belty next time around.
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Thanks MDEW, Mangika & Bono..
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Well done. This song is not easy. Such a wide range. And I really liked how you changed the timing and phrasing to suit yourself. And I could imagine you singing it to your son. Just as Geoff wrote this after his son was born. Becoming a father makes the whole world change. I say that, even though I have never had children.
Hi Ron. The lower range used to be a big challenge. I just could not get any volume. This song is actually half a step too low for me still(especially when I sing "just begun" in the intro. But yes, this is a special song and my kids have made my world a better place for me
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Here is my contribution to this thread!
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Chris.. You are an amazingly versatile singer.. Do you do these recordings at home or in a pro studio.. They sound really really good..
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Hi Folks.. Please listen and give your critique...
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I've been quite busy on other things and haven't been singing (or posting) much, so I missed your thread here. I finally sat down and gave it a good listen. I agree with others it's not quite dialed in yet. This song very difficult as we both know. I gave it a shot live the other day and wasn't satisfied. I think we both could use more work on the song. Both of us had a few moments were pitch was sketchy and moments that sounded a bit strained.
As advice, I actually almost have the opposite impression to Elvis in adding weight. I don't think it will help much. My take on this is you might want to experiment with using curbing like vowels as you were using in Let it Be as a central point, as opposed to belting, and 'lean into belting' vowels and twangier positions from there.
The reason why, is your approach to belting has a high larynx, and large amounts of twang. The twang may indeed be increasing mass, and there are a few high notes here that are possibly with more mass than I might sing with, but twang and a higher larynx accent nasality which might be why your voice is more nasal on this track. If you use slightly darker vowels the mass may not be as heavy, but it might end up less quacky. It can add a darker more covered tone and 'round' you out some. To my ears, the very first line, is probably the most 'balanced' sounding timbre in this cover.
That said, I've said before that people in different cultures have different ears for nasality. I have a friend from southeast Asia and their native tongue there is often very twangy and nasal and even can sound whiny sometimes and their singers often have some of this inflection in their timbre. I've noticed some in native music from India as well. Ultimately you may always sing more nasal than is normal in western culture but I feel like you have room to explore in between and maybe find a balance that is still 'you.'
This song is fairly high and constantly in first and second bridging areas with varying vocal masses, but it's not to the point in my voice where I 'have' to quack or shriek to sing it although I do have difficulty keeping a pure timbre 100 percent of the time. I think you're close enough to my voice type that you could probably do it similarly.
All that said, this was a good attempt. I don't see many others trying this song.
It's not just power, it's flexibility and a rapid fire endurance to even keep up with the song. You're constantly on your toes and can't miss a beat, and then the guitar solo section comes in and is almost, harder, cause it's the first time you even have a moment's respite, and by the time you come back. Keep training, and when I get a chance to sing seriously again here, I'll give a 100 percent live version, flaws and all.Killer, I would love to do a skype session with you sometime. If not, it will help us both exchange some notes, since we are both excited by the idea of doing this very song
I think I have narrowed down my issue to an extent that I know what the problem is. If I forget about really making a powerful sound and just sing like I do normally, the notes are absolutely in my range. I have a problem only when I try to sing songs in this range around the passagio powerfully. Maybe I am using too much twang perhaps longer than what is necessary. Strangely for me, this causes issues in my ah(as in cat) sound and I think this is what spills into the specific words. I think Rob addresses this in his videos, where he says that twang helps in getting the high notes and the listener cannot make out the difference since the nasality is only for a fraction of a second(or something to that effect).
To me, I think the solution lies in building the muscle memory to build the onset using twang, but releasing twang without losing the compression. I think I have a much better version of this song in me in the months to come.. And I can carry over this lesson to other similar songs..
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What a cool interpretation.. Love the depth of your voice..
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And just to clarify, I don't think you sucked at this song, But I know from your previous covers that you can do so much better. Keep rocking man, and keep those covers coming!
Gneetapp, I din't think you said that! Yup, more practice and I think in a month or two I am ready for a repost
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Very interesting!! Hard song to take on! I like what you did there. Actually my only suggestion would be to try add mass to the higher part just a bit and cleap up on pitch, otherwise very very good take!
Thanks.. It is too difficult for me to do a higher mass on the higher notes.. It is right up there in terms of how high and heavy I can sound
Great job with hitting the notes. Impressive range. I can't come near this song.
I would work on your tone though. But I'm no expert
Thank you
Aravind
Kudos for taking on these tough songs - and being able to hit the notes!
The next step is: how do you want to present the song? Do you want to match the kick ass attitude of the original, or do you want to do your own take on it and maybe make a softer version that might suit your voice more? Right now you are kind of in the middle. Which is not necessarily where you want to be. See what I'm getting at?
Bzean, thanks and it is certainly food for thought. I love Freddie, but perhaps my voice is a great fit to sing his songs in the way he sings. Let me try something out next time around. It will be more an interpretation if I were to do it my way(which is through light mass co-ordination). I guess singer can convey energy without belting it out(e.g. Steve Perry singing "Dont stop believeing").. This song I was too happy to just be able to sing all notes..
I liked it and you had really good articulation. And the spirit of your performance sounded close to the original, for me. That is, you were very "Freddie" without sounding exactly like him.
Thanks Ron. I am glad you noticed the articulation. I worked really hard to pronounce the words right. I noticed that in some of my earlier songs, the words were jumbled and that too for the pace of this song it was an extremely difficult thing to do!
Hi Aravind, let me start congratulating you for the balls to try such a hard song. I liked your pitch in general, and that you didn't try to sound like Freddie and were able to sing without the shouting quality for the vast majority of the song. However, after saying that I have to say that I didn't really like the final result, especially after seeing (hearing) what you are capable of doing when you apply yourself to it. I think your tone in most parts of the song was bordering that old cartoonish voice that you got rid of in all your recent covers. So, IMO you just need to work a bit more on this song to make it worthy of being part of your recent covers. You are doing great man, and you know that. Just work a bit more to polish the sound, you got the range for it. Keep on rocking!
Gneetapp, thanks for your honest feedback. This is a significantly tougher song than some of my recent work. This is way tougher than songs with higher notes coz it keeps jumping up and down from Bb4, which is the absolute limit to which I can push my "Chesty" voice.. It is perhaps likely that the song is not a match for my voice, and I would be better served trying to sing it very differently using a light mass co-ordination, which I can definitely do, but not attempted here.. Me, I am thrilled with the outcome. That is because I have tried so long to sing this song and sucked so hard at it!
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Nice.. There were a few off notes towards the end. The rest sounded pretty good. Your voice sounds very similar to Coverdale, especially the gritty parts. Don't know if that imitation was your intention, but it sounded pretty good nevertheless. I am always a bit jealous of folks with a deeper voice, I think it will give the male singer more options!
Good song choice for your voice..
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Before I give the link to my recording, I have to share how I feel about attempting this song..
Now for the link..
https://app.box.com/s/az6jzsweecrmhl4w6kkr19u7r24cnafd
Thanks for your comments, feedback, critiques
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Beautiful singing. Love your voice..
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Lovely as ever.. Such a beautiful song.. I think you have it in you to do a more intense and emotional version of this song.. But then again, you said wedding, so a more brooding version may not be appropriate!
Beautiful integration of falsetto.... Keep up the good work
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Hey Aranvind, you are improving a lot... both, singing and recording. It sounds very natural to me, also like your interpretation. However I think you can even achieve more depth in your voice... for example, in the first verse watch out the word trouble, you are putting it too much in your nose. Same thing with words that finish with ee: Be, me, agree... try to give them more space.
Bono.. Thanks.. I will keep this in mind.. For me "ee" is a very tough sound, especially in the passagio. I have a much stronger "ah" or "eh"
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I'm a fan of the original and I liked your version. You're gaining a lot more control in this lighter voice which is really important. I think you're lightly curbing on this. Welcome to my world.
You've had huge improvements man. There's nothing really to critique cause it sounds like it's placed pretty properly and you will only gain refinement if starting from a good place.
Killer. thanks man.. I don't know what curbing means, but if it sounds alright, then I must be doing something right. Even after purchasing the pillars, I still sing by instinct. The pillars has been phenomenally helpful for me to understand what you guys talk about when you say "twang compression needs to be consistent" or "you need to move this portion towads curbing" or "laryx sounds too high" etc
To me when I sing it is 95% instinct. Of course I have become more aware of what sounds good to audience and more aware about what a consistent tone is. I have this forum to thank for helping me gain that knowledge.
The improvement that I have made recently is to add weight "on demand" to a light tone. A way in which I can come down and add more chest. I actually don't know how exactly I do it technically. But it gives me a lot of flexibility and I think I am ready to tackle a lot of tougher songs now.
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Giving up is for losers. If you are really passionate, don't give up, but be ready to put in hard yards. Nobody runs a marathon without physical preparation. Singing is like that. It takes time, effort and patience. If you do things right, you will be surprised how far you can go..
If you want to improve, the best way is to purchase a copy of the Pillars and spend time on this forum. There are amazing teachers here..
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Hey my friend, This is sounding quite nice. Sounding more natural than other recordings Ive heard from you in the past, this path you took is really great, the lower spots in particular improved, a lot. Nothing that takes away from the result comes to my mind, the tonal quality is good. About recording on a studio, it can improve things because you will have just one job (singing).
Hi my friend. This means a lot to me. I know you have exacting standards and this gives me encouragement that I am on the right track
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AWESOME Aravind! You did the verses well, although there is room for improvement, but you were killing in the choruses, man! Really good! I think, as this is a "one-take" recording, you were not "in the zone"in the first 1-2 verses. But after that you were rocking! May I humbly suggest you something? Keep doing the "one-take" routine, for it is the best practice for live singing, but add a loop during the recording, so it will replay the backing track as soon as you finish singing, and you can re-sing the beginning, or the whole song again if you feel like it. This way I guarantee you will nail the beginning of the song in the same way you do the middle and end. Keep on rocking man!
I have a starting problem on all the songs!!!! LOL
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Nice job!
I find McCartney's songs to be quite difficult - he has a way of hitting where it hurts - right in the passaggio. You didn't seem to have any problems with this though, nor did you sound nasal at all.
As far as making it perfect, maybe you could add just a tiny bit more bite to it. Make it cut through a little bit more, if you know what I mean.
Yes, Sir Mc Cartney is an awesome singer and at 70+ he still sings this song decently. His songs are waaaaay more difficult than they sound.
Strangely when I try to do Steve Perry who uses a similar technique I really really struggle, since they are maybe one or two notes higher on an average from what Paul Mc Cartney's songs lie. In mathematical terms in terms of frequencies, an average increase of one semitone is a 4% improvement. Although in reality the 4% is much larger when you are singing in extreme register..
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Thanks Jugulator!