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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in Some opinions about my singing technique?   
    You're resonating a bit better, but it almost seems as if there's not enough support for you to stay in pitch. That could be partly the air support, but also from singing too low of a pitch. You might try an octave higher. You should be able to get just above a middle-C from good resonant placement alone. From there, the voice shifts a bit, but it's still only a matter of knowing how to build the strength and coordination to take it further.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in Some opinions about my singing technique?   
    I will jump in, since I have a bit of time. I used to have a Brasilian (Portuguese) student who sounded just like you.
    To note, you're not singing in the above example, rather you're speaking the lyrics - sometimes in pitch, but still speaking. Arnaldo sings the song in the same octave range, but lifts his voice to the soft palate and forward. Singing vowels don't resonate in the same placement that speech vowels do. Here's a good place to start:
    You need to be training. Whether with The Four Pillars of Singing, online lessons with me, one of the other voice coaches here, or, depending on where you're at in Brasil, get in touch with my friend Dan Vasc for in-person lessons.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in Some opinions about my singing technique?   
    You're resonating a bit better, but it almost seems as if there's not enough support for you to stay in pitch. That could be partly the air support, but also from singing too low of a pitch. You might try an octave higher. You should be able to get just above a middle-C from good resonant placement alone. From there, the voice shifts a bit, but it's still only a matter of knowing how to build the strength and coordination to take it further.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from r00dris in Some opinions about my singing technique?   
    I will jump in, since I have a bit of time. I used to have a Brasilian (Portuguese) student who sounded just like you.
    To note, you're not singing in the above example, rather you're speaking the lyrics - sometimes in pitch, but still speaking. Arnaldo sings the song in the same octave range, but lifts his voice to the soft palate and forward. Singing vowels don't resonate in the same placement that speech vowels do. Here's a good place to start:
    You need to be training. Whether with The Four Pillars of Singing, online lessons with me, one of the other voice coaches here, or, depending on where you're at in Brasil, get in touch with my friend Dan Vasc for in-person lessons.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    You'll never be paid to sing, and you don't have a set plan (or choosing not to make one)? To me, that says you're not serious about singing. Learning to sing, perhaps, but not to the point you want to make a career out of it. You're choosing not to do so, for whatever reason that may be.
    It's when someone says they're super serious, want to make a living/career out of it, and are willing to do whatever it takes, and then complain when it costs money for a teacher's time (especially a good teacher with proven results within their goal set), that teachers get frustrated like we talked about above.
    There are great course out there that cover the material you mention, and don't cost a student thousands per year. Not everyone learns that way. There are great software trainers too, but I'm not yet convinced that one could replace a good teacher. Then there are those students who are passionate about their voice, train consistently, seek out the best courses, and really only need a teacher for a few lessons, to help them tweak a few things.
    But to say you're serious about singing and only looking for free tips, there's a disconnect.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    I experienced a lot of the same when I coached bands for a couple of decades. It's teh same all acrosst he world. I watched many bands and artists complain about spending money on coaching that taught them, step by step, how to make money at their craft, and yet would spend thousands of dollars on gear without flinching.
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    Draven Grey reacted to Robert Lunte in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    I don't think that is true. Most lessons are one hour. In my opinion, half hour lessons are just not productive. It isn't enough time to get warmed up, strengthened and have enough time to get some meantingfull progress on a song. I only do one hour lessons and when possible, actually recommend 2 hour sessions. The fact is, voice lessons that are 2 hours are the most productive.
    My program offers; video demonstrations to train along with, very clear instructions on what modules to begin and complete first in the lessons and the training page is divided into 4 phases which give a sense of sequence and progress in your training.
    I also offer training workflow guides found at the MY Training page, below is what one of them looks like. These are used to show students what to read, what to study and what to train... AGAIN, more direction on what to do and when.
    Anyone that completes TFPOS gets a certificate.
    So, your not talking about my program...
    Seriously? This has to be explained?
    To suggest that personal instruction for singing is not needed to sing well, is to demonstrate naivety and pretty much little clue about training voice. Respectfully, just saying...
    Completely ridiculous. 
    I perused the rest of your post, it doesn't really make a point other then, "people can learn to sing great for free" and "to give it away for free makes you "nice"...
     
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    Draven Grey reacted to Robert Lunte in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    Its just delusional or more likely, just completely out of touch of what serious singers are doing and what they value.
    They would never make posts like that. 
    Fortunately, there are some serious students and singers out there, Draven & and I work with them. Nobody I train on a regular basis or who has purchased my program and actually did the work would leave a post like that.
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    Draven Grey reacted to Robert Lunte in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    Yes. If you have nothing vested in it, you don't appreciate it and you don't do the work. PERIOD.
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    Draven Grey reacted to Robert Lunte in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    Ok. thanks for the clarity. It sort of sounded like you were making a case for "you don't have to, because you can get it for free" which is just a lame point to make on so many levels. Glad that isn't what your saying.
    Back to my original point then Rich... More and more people are lazy and don't want to work.  I believe that YouTube has done a lot to create a new virtual culture and expectation with people. Its free on YouTube and you can sort of get some tips, so when people are really ready to get better and stop watching videos for tips,... they seek programs and teachers and become put off when someone informs them that it isn't going to be free.
     
    And "is too expensive" just doesn't hold up as an argument.... I have tried numerous times to offer services for $4.99. As a matter of fact, for the last 8 months anyone that signed up here was routed to a page out at my web site where they could get the entire TVS warm up package for $4.99... a deal so good, it is almost offense. NOT one person took my offer. $4.99... ?!  
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in Judas Priest - Desert Plains   
    You'll never be paid to sing, and you don't have a set plan (or choosing not to make one)? To me, that says you're not serious about singing. Learning to sing, perhaps, but not to the point you want to make a career out of it. You're choosing not to do so, for whatever reason that may be.
    It's when someone says they're super serious, want to make a living/career out of it, and are willing to do whatever it takes, and then complain when it costs money for a teacher's time (especially a good teacher with proven results within their goal set), that teachers get frustrated like we talked about above.
    There are great course out there that cover the material you mention, and don't cost a student thousands per year. Not everyone learns that way. There are great software trainers too, but I'm not yet convinced that one could replace a good teacher. Then there are those students who are passionate about their voice, train consistently, seek out the best courses, and really only need a teacher for a few lessons, to help them tweak a few things.
    But to say you're serious about singing and only looking for free tips, there's a disconnect.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from thematrixiam in 4pillars website recommendations   
    As JonJon said, semantics are a HUGE deal. It can get confusing very fast when everyone is using different terminology and you don't know how to translate it quickly.
    Having created and run my own courses, I think opening up the course for feedback in that way could quickly become a nightmare. You've seen Youtube, right? A better feedback system is in both the results the students get, and how many questions they ask, showing if they understand the material or not.
    In the case of the mixed voice video, that's a major point of contention and misunderstanding in the singer community, even among teachers. That videos gave a solid explanation of what mxied voice actually is, made for people from those who  have no clue, to those that would argue. For those that simply want an explanation, sure, it could've been cut down. You can even quickly read over the text beneath it instead. But for those who think they know differently, a much mroe htorough explanation is needed. Half of teaching singing to a new student is dispelling myths, misconcepttions, and years of habits that are either wrong or horribly misunderstood.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in 4pillars website recommendations   
    The problem with making a course that is full of useful and thorough information for everyone is that it's more than some people need and still not quite enough for others' needs. That's why having a coach to walk you through it can be so important.
    When someone wants the entrie chorus to revolve around only what they want for themsleves, then they don't want a course, they want private coaching. Private coaching takes a lot more personal focused effort, and thus costs lot more. This course is exhaustive, comprehensive, and complete, not created for you specifically. Creating the impression that you are self-centered is a good way to get coaches to not want to work with you. To publicly (and completely unsolicited) proclaim how the course should be changed in your favor is short-sighted, small-minded, and self-centered. You're better than that. See the bigger picture.
    That approach is also a good way to get fired by your teacher. It says that you don't want to learn and train, rather that you want to complain, be spoon fed, and babysat. Again, you're better than that.
    If you're concerned about getting the training you signed up for, then go to the training part of your course rather than spend your time going through every single thing on the informational side and then complaining that you're wasting your time with something you chose to do and no one forced you to do. If you think you don't need the talk track and thorough information on certain topics, even though others do, then don't watch those videos. Read over the text underneath them to see if you think it will be helpful to dive deeper.
    If you simply want to critique instead of ask quesions for clarification, then feel free to sod off. You're not going to get much out of anything with that attitude or self-centered approach. If you want to learn, then ask questions, seek to understand, and know that you are part of a large community of people that are at all different levels of learning and understanding and all willing to help each other.
    Now, if Robert asked you for your feedback on such things, because he trusts you as experienced in coaching vocals or putting together training courses, then by all means, give him feedback. I don't think that was the case. What you're asking for is essentially Youtube, which is wide open to self-important freeloaders, trolls, and self-proclaimed experts on topics they know nothing about. Again, asking for clarification and the "why" behind the way things are, especially when wanting to learn from someone much more experieenced than you, will get you a lot further than criticism, especially cristicism based upon the world revolving around you.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in Hum vs humming   
    Do you mean Tracking or Track & Release? That would be nasal buzzing on M, N, or NG. Or in the case of what we train with the most, M, which is humming and buzzing the lips. You would still seal the lips. What's different is the up and forward  resonance that makes the lips and sometimes teeth buzz/vibrate/tickle. That's a feeling you want even on higher notes, where the shape of your embouchure becomes important to keep a good lip buzz ( a hotizontal embouchure, even with the lips closed).
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in TheMatrixIAm's Journal ~ TFPOS Update 4.5   
    I get that every once and a while too. Usually because I'm not logged in. That's also under the "My Account" tab. It can look like you're logged in when you're not. The best waya to know you're not is when you see what you just posted. I hope that's all it is.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in TheMatrixIAm's Journal ~ TFPOS Update 4.5   
    I admit that TFPOS can seem rather daunting. Have you gone into the My Account > My Training side of things? "My Course" alone is difficult to build your own routine from without guidance. It's an incredible resource once you know it though. One of the first links under "My Training" ("Training Workflow Guide") will give you several workflows to choose from, so you know how to quickly put the coursework into a training routine. I always thought of the course side of it as the in-depth study, whereas the training side is where you learn how to implement it as training.
    Consider online lesons too. It will open up a lot more options for finding someone who really knows there stuff, how to teach it, and meshes well with you. I have private students all over the world, as does Robert.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in TheMatrixIAm's Journal ~ TFPOS Update 4.5   
    You need a new login. @Robert Lunte?
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Robert Lunte in TheMatrixIAm's Journal ~ TFPOS Update 4.5   
    I admit that TFPOS can seem rather daunting. Have you gone into the My Account > My Training side of things? "My Course" alone is difficult to build your own routine from without guidance. It's an incredible resource once you know it though. One of the first links under "My Training" ("Training Workflow Guide") will give you several workflows to choose from, so you know how to quickly put the coursework into a training routine. I always thought of the course side of it as the in-depth study, whereas the training side is where you learn how to implement it as training.
    Consider online lesons too. It will open up a lot more options for finding someone who really knows there stuff, how to teach it, and meshes well with you. I have private students all over the world, as does Robert.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in Advice for an Inexperienced Song Writer   
    Advice: Start training. You say you can't afford it, but $20/mo is next to nothing for great training like The Four Pillars of Singing. You're not singing in the above post. You're talking with a bit of rhythm and some different pitches now and then. If you want to sing, then put time, effort, and money into learning how.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Singing with rhinitis in I have rhinitis & a deviated septum please review my singing   
    With proper placement, you should be able to hold your nose and get the same sound as without holding it. Rhinitis and a deviated septum really doesn't change much besides having to manage allergy symptoms a bit more closely. You're not lifting the voice properly, likely singing a lot from the throat with more speech-like vowels. The harder you push, the more you're shouting more than singing. I address that in my first Singing Basics video.
    If you want to build lung capacity get a cocktail straw. Breath in a low as possible (lower back, not shoulders), expanding your lower ribcage. Then, blow the entire breath out through the straw as hard as you can do without any pain. After a week, you'll start to notice you can do it a lot longer than when you started. As with the straw exercise, you can do this multiple times a day.
    You'll also notice some big differences in general after using the straw exercise for a while, which I describe in my warmups video. That one is all about learning to relax, get good glottal closure, balance air-pressure, and hold proper resonant placement for the pitch.
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in I have rhinitis & a deviated septum please review my singing   
    Are you training with anyone or any particular system? I too have  rhinitis and a deviated septum, but have been singing professionally for 27 years. The problems you describe sound more like lack of proper placement and support. The videos linked below can help, but won't be nearly as effective as having a good coach, solid course of study, or both, like in The Four Pillars of Singing.
    Check these out, and let me know if you have questions: http://rocksinginglessons.com/videos/
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Singing with rhinitis in I have rhinitis & a deviated septum please review my singing   
    Are you training with anyone or any particular system? I too have  rhinitis and a deviated septum, but have been singing professionally for 27 years. The problems you describe sound more like lack of proper placement and support. The videos linked below can help, but won't be nearly as effective as having a good coach, solid course of study, or both, like in The Four Pillars of Singing.
    Check these out, and let me know if you have questions: http://rocksinginglessons.com/videos/
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Eperty123 in Weird head voice?   
    Until you can afford singing lessons, be careful about simply getting tips from Youtube and the like. However, if that's all you have, then make sure they are reputable teachers. The first video on my Rock Singing Lessons playlist can help, as can any of Robert Lunte's videos:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDravenGrey
    https://www.youtube.com/user/roblunte
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in Weird head voice?   
    Until you can afford singing lessons, be careful about simply getting tips from Youtube and the like. However, if that's all you have, then make sure they are reputable teachers. The first video on my Rock Singing Lessons playlist can help, as can any of Robert Lunte's videos:
    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDravenGrey
    https://www.youtube.com/user/roblunte
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    Draven Grey got a reaction from Adolph Namlik in Weird head voice?   
    You're very pitchy in general, and your resonant placement is completely incorrect. Look into eartraining for vocals. There are many voice apps that will play a pitch or interval and then let you try to match it. Also, humming into a pitch wheel can help you match pitch as well. Winging in pitch is a listening skill, more than it is  coordination or strength like the rest of singing. 
    You head voice sounds off because of resonant placement being in the throat vs being in the soft palate. Hold a finger to your bottom lip and try to sing up and over it. This usually will point your vowels up into the soft palate and get you out of your throat. Also, start humming and buzzing your lips through songs 2/3 the time, instead of just singing them. It will help you get used to a better placement of you voice, among other things good for singing.
    Keep taking lessons. Get them to show you how to place your resonance and vowels better for singing, and give you exercises specifically meant for learning to sing in pitch.
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