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Ahh yea. Those A bit of falsetto. Hmmm...maybe falsetto mixed with headvoice? Not sure...doesn't matter. it's for effect. I do those sometimes, depends on the song. I only have one or two songs recorded where I may have had a chance to do something similar. I think one was have You Ever loved a Woman (which i plan to re-do at some point) and the other was With a Little Help From My Friends which I have since deleted. Other than that the closest I come to that might be at the end of my recently posted remake/collaboration of 'Wish You Were Here" somewhere down the page. You're right, not really like those two you just heard.

Thanks and a happy to you too. Really? High notes? I didn't think so. You may be surprised at what I can actually hit, I just choose not to. But in that song? I didn't think so. Anyway, thanks. And once I get it ironed out and "right." It will be in my list for sure. I want it to be my next show stopper! :D

Subjective, yes. I just want to clarify something though. My comments were based on something other than what readers may think. I wasn't commenting on the high notes so much as a personal taste thing as much as it was because I believed (believe) Ron was posting this song as a sample of him singing a low range song. I assumed this based on the Brandy response. Maybe I am mistaken? With that in mind my comments were directed toward that. So I was commenting because if that was the case, then...well...he didn't remain low range throughout as he did in Brandy. That was the reason for my comment. In that thread (where he sang brandy) there were comments and compliments on how well his tone was at that range and he should do more.

Well, sometimes the only way to get noticed is by being the Blue crayon in a box of Yellows ;)

Ha!! You know how I feel about doing it like the original! Man that has been done already. You want original then go buy the CD!! Meanwhile if you watch a singing comp or something similar they hammer the contestants for not doing their own thing. When you copy the original they say it sounds "karaoke." Even though I sing karaoke one thing I work on when singing live is to sound not karaoke. Well as much as possible when locked into a karaoke track and not your own musically moldable band Artistry man! Screw the original what can you do with that song? (without changing the original melody too much of course).

I guess the more ears we have to give us feedback the better in the long run. I've gotten idea from others at times that I wasn't even looking for an idea. I suppose if any of us sang at a karaoke event or for some friends or even strangers it would be acceptable. Your song certainly was good enough for good applause and it would be well taken. But this forum is where we can get coaching or tidbits that may make us eventually get a standing ovation. We are all singers here or at least trying and studying to be so we are being critical at times not because something is really "wrong" but only as a "hey....maybe you can try this." Like wow you're really hitting the ball well. I wonder what would happen if you altered your stance a little wider? And that's the beauty of posting songs here. Well, it works if people are honest and helpful. :)

I agree with the point that he is brave enough to put yourself out there. But in the first sentence of your next paragraph you say "You clearly have a lot of passion for singing." I agree with this also. But that 's the point I believe that singers or musicians in general are artists. Just like an aspiring actor or someone looking to make it in the music industry or maybe even an artist who paints. The more you put yourself out there the more you get noticed. The more you get noticed the more chance of maybe getting someone offering help, or liking what they hear or see and suddenly you get a little push further along. After all any artist really wants his/her artwork to be seen...or heard. Right? So I don't understand why anyone wouldn't put their stuff out there for all to hear. I say the more you put it out there the better. I usually believe in being humble. But not musically. No star or anyone famous got there by remaining in the background. They may try to appear humble but I don't believe it. All those American idol contestants talking about supporting each other and hoping their counterparts do well. HA! Nonsense!! It's push and shove if you ask me. If the next guy does well then they lose. They are in it to win and as singers, so are we. That, is passion. Otherwise we are only singing to ourselves. For that we can just take more showers or drive in our cars more singing to CD's. Nonsense...put yourself out there as much as you can. the squeaky wheel gets the oil. But in general all good points in your post and good advice Mr Bounce :)

Well, not really ideas just sort of thinking out loud I don't know anything more than anyone else. I can only go by what I do, which again, may be good for me but worthless for anyone else. But I think the plus for you is that you play your own backing music which gives you a bit more freedom to tailor the song to your own take on it. The forum seems quiet today. Either it's too early or its because today is Thanksgiving. I'm at work today and you guys aren't amusing me today. Too quiet Please don't force me to do some work :o

And hairy, I guess

Wow! Thanks for that. I may have to substitute. I'm not sure I can get marrowfat peas in the states. Ok...now that we've hijacked this thread :/

I bet!! Screw that. What I need is a good recipe for mushy peas!! :P

Well it also helps because many times I hear myself different than what really might be going on vocally. Certain sounds need reshaping and I only hear that on playback. Phrasing also. A big thing is interpretation. I have a couple of ways I do this. One is by just familiarizing myself with a song then recording while reading the words (not knowing the song well purposely) so that the song is mostly my version only because I am not so familiar with the original. I get a feel for the song then just go by memory. The other way is the way I am working this. I'm tying to make this my next big live song. So I am studying it for exactness before deciding which parts of Ray Charles I am going to cut and replace with Tommy. If I can do it as close as possible to him then I gain more control over the song. Like I did with Georgia On My Mind. I own it. I guess. But I noticed he is doing it on the original and after singing it a couple of times somehow I can feel how that might work to get the feel right on the notes as he is hitting them. Once I settle on how "I" might want to do the song that may change. Thanks for the comments :)

I agree with George on all points. And the sort of funny voice thing? It kind of sounds like a poor British accent impersonation. Still stuck in choir mode? :D

At the bottom right corner of all posts is the quote function. Click on it then type your message after what you've quoted. You can trim what you are quoting also (if you just want to quote one sentence from a paragraph) by just deleting what you don't want. Another way is: At the top of the post where the smilies are there are buttons. If you hit the quote button you will see what pops up. All you have to do is put what you want to quote between those two quote tags. The one that says quote goes before what you are quoting and the one with the slash /quote goes at the end.

:/ What any of that has to do with what you quoted from me I have no clue.....but ok :D

Good response Ronster I had checked out the original already prior. He does go a bit higher at certain points. I suppose his voice is naturally lower than yours so there isn't that much of a gap, so to speak, between his higher notes and the rest of the song. And it is probably more natural and easier for him. I was wondering if there was a way for you to thicken up your high notes in a song like this to add a bit more bottom end. Let it match the lower parts a little more. Just raising pitch within the same tone so to speak. I am only thinking out loud....sort of. Just thinking about the interpretation of the song and lines as well as consistency. Things I personally would think about if I were trying to emote for a song like this. Again "personally." I realize we are different people and different singers. :)

I'm going to put myself out on a limb here for the sake of learning. What you will learn, if anything, is up to you. Maybe nothing as this isn't really an educational post. Rather it is just a glimpse into my process for learning a song before singing it live. Maybe some of the real beginners or those that are unsure of their voices or singing can see from this that it is always a process and it isn't easy. For me it doesn't start out good and even when I get to recordable acceptability it may still not really be "good." Only better than the starting point. Many times I end up scrapping a song completely if I get to a point where I just figure the song isn't for me. I am posting a song here that I have just begun to work on. I may refine it to performance ready or I may eventually decide it's too difficult. Who knows. It is something I am hoping to have ready by February (second week). We'll see. The song may sound easy to some but there are a few, what I call, acrobatics, in there that I want to get right. It is by my man "Ray Charles" and it has it's share of ups and downs and vocal agility. He seems to sing this very nasal and I can see why after attempting it. I need to get the voice more up and forward for this. This is a little embarrassing because this is me naked, so to speak. This is the start of my process and at this point it sucks really bad. But I am going to let you hear it so for those just starting you can see the building process even later as you start to progress n your training. Not that I am a pro But I'm just saying that I think it always takes work. In February or whenever I get this song down (if I do) I will post the final version. But for now this is day one. I did three attempts at this and believe it or not this was the best one. That tells you how bad the others were!! Three times doesn't seem like a lot of practice but this song is hard on my voice and I started to get a bit sore. I had also recording something else earlier so it wasn't the only song I sang. So I called it quits. You have to know when to stop. You get to a point, imo, where you start to get diminishing returns. You get tired and your technique starts to fail and now you are practicing and committing to muscle memory, the wrong information. Picture this like a hunk of clay that I just began shaping. Right now it resembles a hunk of turd. Hopefully can form it into something nice. This is how it usually goes for my songs. This isn't any worse than some f my other songs started. In this clip I am finding my way around the song and notes. I am also trying to get a feel for the song as well as where I want to shade or modify. I am also working out where some rasp may be in order. I am also thinking about the falsetto and blending it smoothly with he rest of the phrase. Mostly I am trying to get the pitch especially at the start of the song which is terribly off at this point. Then there is a part where I want the right emotion but it becomes too loud so I have to figure out how to tame that and still get the note formed how I want it. Basically I am mapping. But you can hear how sloppy, off pitch, wobbly and unfinished this is. But this is the process. (for me) Now the work begins. Ahhhh... and to find the time also!!! So here I am baring my soul for all to see. No makeup!! Hopefully I can shape this into something. If it can go from crap to good. This is how most of them start out, so it isn't anything unusual. A bit of spit and polish and we're ok http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12010309&q=hi

Yo Ron bro!! I haven't been around the forum all week so I haven't had a chance to hear this till now. I listened a few times. I will give you my honest opinion here even though I'm sure I will be in the minority and no one will agree with me. That's fine...I justify my position by saying they just don't have the huevos to say it!!! First off, the song started out sounding nice vocally. Very tone full. You hit your sweet spot (imo). Everyone here seems to love the big notes and high voices etc. Sure I do also but I don't get gaga over it. I much more prefer interpretation, artistry, emotion etc. Then again I aint "rockin' out." I notice a lot of reviews here compliment singers even if they can't "sing" a high note, as long as they can "hit" a high note. I think that is wrong. Now....smack me down if you will and anyone who disagrees is free to chime in. I don't claim to be an expert....just my humble opinion based on my taste. Here goes. When the song started I thought. "oh yea,,,,this is gonna be good." I had a smile on my face partially because my name was attached to this by you saying blame it on Tommy (that you are singing in a lower voice) and partially (mostly) because your tone was so good. It started out nice man. Then it happened!! What the...? You just couldn't do it could you? Where the hell did those high notes come from? That didn't belong there man!!!! Not in that song. That song was sounding so good in the low end. I didn't care for the high parts. But then we've been down this road before. Again... I'm sure most will disagree and say keep singing those high songs. But for me, I honestly think your strength is your midrange or the rang at the start of this song....or Brandy. I think that is your voice. I'd rather hear you sing songs like that. Ok, so there I said it. Let me Have it :(

Ron,click on your song and the blue box that pops up that plays the song...copy and past the url at the top of that. http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=12003443&q=hi&newref=1 Haven't listened to the song yet Blame me? For what?? :)

I think you have a nice sounding voice and you sing well. Nice job. What I didn't care for was your interpretation. I thought you over dramatized it a little I mean you just made some parts too dramatic and got a little overboard with extending notes and modulating them etc. Also the "Hallelujah's." If there were three or four hallelujah's in a phrase you would say them with different "a" sounds. For example one would be Haaleluja with the "a" sound of "hat" and the next would be Hahllelujah with the "a" sound of "hardly." Overall very nice though. You sing well. :)

Thanks. I usually sing this with no problems but I think your version may be just a touch higher? Then again it could just have been one of those days Don't know. You did a great job either way. Thanks again :)

I liked it. Nice job on the song and vocals. The only dislike may be a personal taste thing. But I like cleaner vocals. I'm not talking about clean vs dirty or raspy. I mean clean vs effects. Whatever effect you had on the track made it sound like you were singing with yourself. Slightly like a duet. It causes almost a simultaneous echo. But the singing was good :)

Whatever that means Maybe at some point I edited the post and accidentally changed the link by a character or something? No matter. Any song I have posted here is in my song list in my signature. That's where the link takes you anyway. It is easier to just click that link and look through the list than to search the forum. So the song was there...the link got screwed somehow.

Pretty catchy song. Old school...yea I thought it sounded good all around.

Thanks Michelle Recording I sent you? There must be an imposter on the forum I never sent any recording. :/