Stuck at F4?

[EisaCurry]

So as the title says, stuck at F4 and can't go above it. Despite good adduction,twang,and appoggio. Once I hit G4 the balance starts faltering. I can sing above F4 with consistency but there's always some compromise, usually either a thinning with loss in body, or keeping the body but loss in upper ring.

 

[muffinhead]

i used to have trouble with the G4 as well. Frequent practice with 4 pillars helped me nail it down. Sorry I can't be of more help.

[Gsoul82]

Once we post a clip of our singing, it becomes a Review My Singing Request. Please avoid doing this. I have edited out the link

[Robert Lunte]

Eisa,

You can post your link in here, but we will move the post to Review my Singing. The RMS is a service. It is a consultation where you will get feedback from experienced members of the forum and from me as well. 

It is $10... Here is the link. Once you have paid, you are then automatically able to make your RMS post in the RMS forum.

 

[Robert Lunte]

Hey Muffinhead, who are you by the way?  Can you give me your real name, just curious.

[EisaCurry]

Okay. I bought the RMS service. Can I post my link now or tomorrow when it processes.?

[EisaCurry]

I think my appoggio on the "u" vowel is underdeveloped, which is why i lose energy past G4.

[Gneetapp]

Hi EisaCurry, is the link up again? I couldn't find it. Without hearing you, I could say that you seem to be struggling with your bridge/passaggio. May I ask if you have been training with a vocal coach or singing method? If you are in fact stuck at your bridge, you may have to work on the notes between D4-G4 making them the foundation for the higher notes, and most importantly the passaggio notes, where you need to do some modifications (e.g. vowel modifications, resonance shifts, etc) in order to go through your passaggio.

[Adolph Namlik]

14 hours ago, EisaCurry said:

Okay. I bought the RMS service. Can I post my link now or tomorrow when it processes.?

Eisa,

Your payment has posted. You should be able to post your link now.

[Gneetapp]

13 hours ago, EisaCurry said:

I think my appoggio on the "u" vowel is underdeveloped, which is why i lose energy past G4.

May I humbly suggest you to post vocalizes or sirens of other vowels (besides "u") too, and even maybe pieces of songs you might be having trouble with. Cheers

[Robert Lunte]

On July 27, 2016 at 6:19 PM, EisaCurry said:

So as the title says, stuck at F4 and can't go above it. Despite good adduction,twang,and appoggio. Once I hit G4 the balance starts faltering. I can sing above F4 with consistency but there's always some compromise, usually either a thinning with loss in body, or keeping the body but loss in upper ring.

 

Elise this is common. F4 and F#4 are uniquely challenging.

The ability to adduct and twang in this position is important, but it is only part of what needs to happen, the more intuitive part. The other thing that needs to happen that is not intuitive until you learn what to do is, ... Typically singers are lacking:

- TA engagement. No Belt musculature, or it's not strong enough.

presming that is strong enough, it would then be an acoustics issue. Typically, failure to narrow the vowel, which in turn has the effect of locking down the TA.

Therefore, try shading in /ou/ as in "would" to the formant sound color chemistry.  /ou/ will physically narrow the upper vocal Tract, lock the TA down, amplify a fantastic resonance, and add other secondary benefits like, warm the sound and dampen the larynx. 

Remenber!!!  You are adding /ou/ ishness to the other sound colors for a multicolored sing vowel (formant), not trading one for one as you would with language vowels.

Leverage the tongue as to gain more stability as well. 

Dont try to "hit a loud note", amplify the resonance / formant. If the acoustic mass is too heavy, it won't balance and therefore will not work. You'll just keep choking.

yiu can also practice modifying into /uh/ as well. It is a brother of /ou/, as such, it can really be great for getting a smooth bridge, however it is weak on musculature and you won't get the same narrowing + TA stability you get with /ou/. 

Do it with good  onsets and  sirens inside a 5th interval. 

Do you have Pillars? There are  training routines and videos in Pillars that show you how to do this that TVS students train.