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Oh won't you, show me my fach?...

Oh won't you, show me my fach?...

I wanna know what my fach is... I want you to show me...

My favorite song from this great band, has a certain "epic" feel to it, some nice technical details with dynamics on head voice and some more aggressive content on the high range.
 
 
 

Everyone that can listen and/or drop me a line about it, thank you!
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Sounds good Jeremy, I have to agree with everything Robert said.
Just use a single vocal line(unles adding harmonies of course).
The character thing he was talking about is adding prosody or rather when the lyrics are making a statement sing it like you are making a statement and when the lyrics form a question sing it like you are asking a question. Add emotional content to the singing.
In a song like this you are telling a story AND acting out the lyrics with voice. Vocal technique is only part of singing and performing.
Keep up the good work. I really like your singing. Add this one to your list. Soon you will have enough to perform two or three sets in public...........then the fun really starts.

I was the first type too bro! lol

Sounding great! I would love to hear you singing with a live band or better yet we have to get you in the studio A.S.A.P.! You are super solid live but it would be fantastic to get you on a studio recording where you can do multiple takes and experiment and really craft a definitive vocal take. You have the voice its time to get you on a pro recording. If you have any material to record talk to me about it. I have lots of studio work behind me and would love to offer any guidance or advice as I would love to see you succeed. I don't want to say you are coasting because you have done much more than I was doing in High School  but I learned really fast how fast youth can pass you by lol. You need to get on it girl, and start laying it down in the studio  Let's make it happen soon.

I dont remember exactly where I "broke" at. But it wasnt at D4....more up around where he is I think, or maybe f4ish. Of course I wasnt stopping when it got tight lol, I just kept pushing hard until I choked out. Thats the nature of the beast
I dont think he is going thru a passagio there. Sounds like he is onsetting sort of lightly around G3 and going up about an octave. The fact that it is so light might be affecting the break though. if he onsetted a bit heavier it might make the break point more noticable

The 4pillars is pretty big. Take some time and look at some of the explanation vids etc. There are explanations and demonstrations of lift up and pull back.
The point of lift up/pull back is to help get you to "bridge". Bridge essentially means go from chest voice up to headvoice etc. In your example file you are not bridging. You are going up with chest voice to about g#4 and getting stuck there.
Basically you need to learn to access your headvoice. it can be tricky at first etc. You need to sort of learn to get the vibration (resonance) out of the throat and more up onto the roof of the mouth (hard and soft palate etc)
 
Do you have a keyboard? if not, here is a cool on online that tells you what notes you are hitting http://piano-player.info/
 
What happens if you try to hit a note around, say, B4?   A lot of people start off with chest voice and then they jump up to falsetto when they try to hit higher notes. Falsetto isnt really a true headvoice but its what most of us start with until we learn to vibrate the sound off the roof of our mouth or at least somewhere above the throat itself

I think you misunderstood Draven. What he means is that you are the greatest obstacle to what you want to achieve. I have found that improving on singing mainly involved getting out of my own way, to learn how to walk without stepping on my own feet, so to speak.
You said if you had that range nothing will stop you. He said, you will. That means that you can often hinder yourself with preconceptions about what you can or cannot do, what you think is happening to make a sound, which may be different from reality.
But can you sing that range? Yes, you will.

Bravo! This is exactly my intent from my words. @muffinhead, I see you working hard in TFPOS. I have no doubt you can do whatever you want with your voice as long as you stay determined to do so. Don't let "I wish I could..." or "If only..." ever stand in the way of knowing you'll reach your goals because you will stop at nothing to do so.
I don't want to hijack this thread though. So to relate that back... I've had a lot of pleasure teaching an SLS student how to belt. They have amazing control of their voice. Sadly, I've yet to meet one that has the strength to sing in a full voice after a few notes above their bridge.

I got $3 say the chest note aint got good breath to start with

again, I have no idea if the soft palate rises or not. I dont know if my eyes dilate or if my hair looks good lol. I yawned when I woke up but that was a little while back
 
like SexyBeast said, are you getting a good strong vibration etc in your chest notes. Are you getting a decent breath before u try to sing a note?
An untrained singer, if he gets a good breath and he sings a decent note, he will generally choke at some point if he just tries to carry that up higher and higher.
if you arent choking, then I wonder if you are ever actually getting a decent breath in to start with? Almost sounds like you are using a falsetto chest voice
 
your answer might be to get a good strong chest note going, push it up until you choke, THEN learn to let go of the chest voice and gradually bridge up thru the passagio

I would bet on the opposite but I might be wrong.

Sounds to me just what ive said 3 or 4 times now. You need to learn to leave the throat resonance and learn to vibrate the sound off of the hard and/or soft palates (the roof of your mouth, not down in the throat)
for me it was a 2 step thing. I could not "bridge" because I didnt have the feel of resonating on the palate. When I tried to sing higher notes I was just trying to take my chest voice (throat voice) up higher and higher and eventually you just choke doing that.
Finally I just figured out that I had to find some other way to make sound lol. So I learned how to get the sound up above the choking point in my throat and up onto the palates.
Once I got the feeling of singing those higher notes I then started trying to "bridge" smoothly from chest up to head etc (or from "throat" up to "palates" or however you want to look at it)
 
Essentially once you learn to get the sound out of the throat and into the palates etc, its then a matter of thousands of repetitions of sirens and other singing exercises with various vowels etc to make that transitions effortless and smooth. IMO thats ALL those guys you posted are doing. I didnt hear anything inherently difficult there unless i am missing something. They have simply learned to sing lightly thru the passagio etc
if you are singing really heavy, or husky, on the low end, it makes it harder to get thru the passagio up to those higher notes etc.

Well its not chest voice is it? Whats left? lol
To me its just basic headvoice. They have bridged thru the passagio into the headvoice.
They are singing with a light voice, its not really heavy
 
Im confused, if you can sing to c5 then you can sing what they are doing easily

Sorry, the forum ate my post lol.
 
Basically those guys you posted are just singing in basic head voice. you need to learn to get the sound out of your throat and up more into the hard and/or soft palate.
IMO they are not belting or even supporting THAT much. That just basically a light head voice sound.

you are being very technical when you start to name all of these "techniques" and all of those physiological terms. Keep in mind that thousands of people can sing great who have never even heard those terms. Little kids can listen and mimic singers and noises in nature without knowing the position of their tongue or what their soft palate or larynx is doing.
I use those terms and things when I am experimenting to find new sounds, or, when I find a new sound I will then go back and think about the physiology and techniques so that I can then categorize and repeat the new sound.
That being said, I can sing a lot of different tones and decent range etc and I pretty much NEVER get into the position of this or that inside my mouth. So far it hasn't been necessary to do so.
 
You can group sounds into broader categories. You generally don't need a microscope. In broad terms, the singing is either "heavy" or "light". A "heavy" sound would generally be way more supported and have a lot more compression like a heavy rock sound or heavy metal. When you think of

Maybe it's time to get a real teacher?
Yes there are a lot of concepts out there. People loooove concepts and fancy words... You think there's some magic ingredient you are missing when in fact you simply need to train the fundamentals correctly: air, muscle, vowel.
 

I really liked it. And I want to say that the folky rock and southern fried rock and assorted outlaw country and stuff is really good in your voice.
side note: my wife and I know a guy in Austin who has been singing all over the state for decades. A guy named "Shake" Russell. He actually helped Clint Black craft "Nothing but the taillights" when Clint was unknown. Anyway. so Shake sounds just like Harry Chapin. I have expected him to sing this song.
Another side note: I have been working on an original song for quite some time. And even have entertained the notion of making it a three-way singing thing between myself, you, and MDEW. We may not be able to get together for brisket but we can sing about it if I ever get it finished. Kind of medium shuffle with a ZZ Top kind of turn-around in the riff.
And another side note: back in the 90's, I auditioned for as a singer for a band called XLR8, headed by a guy named George Chapin, one of Harry's nephews. I ended up not getting the gig. They took back their old singer because he coughed up some recording eqiupment they were needing. That band didn't go as far as the previous band George was in, which was called Silverado, a locally known band that was big around here for a while.

Great timbre Jeremy! I love this song, man! And you really did it justice! I don't have any technical advice for you, only to record it seriously with separate tracks and metronome, you know, the whole nine yards. So, you have such a bright timbre that I bet you are a tenor, although you may not know yet how to access your high notes. I was wondering how you got the effect on the voice, if it was doubling (recorded twice x copied and pasted with offset) or a really short delay. I also liked the part when you added the keys. Great job! Put it on your set list

Yeah the mix could be much better but I'm working with some lo-fi setup right now, unfortunately it's really hard to record good quality piano with my current mic as well which sucks because I'd do more piano stuff if the quality wasn't so average.  I got that effect by double tracking the voice like I did in the John Lennon cover, just two separate takes all the way through.  
And yes I believe I am a tenor in terms of timbre, but my range is so small at the moment I may as well be called baritone haha.  Thanks for listening.   It's definitely going on the set list.. and when Ron arrives, probably the backyard barbecue jam list as well.  

Great timbre Jeremy! I love this song, man! And you really did it justice! I don't have any technical advice for you, only to record it seriously with separate tracks and metronome, you know, the whole nine yards. So, you have such a bright timbre that I bet you are a tenor, although you may not know yet how to access your high notes. I was wondering how you got the effect on the voice, if it was doubling (recorded twice x copied and pasted with offset) or a really short delay. I also liked the part when you added the keys. Great job! Put it on your set list

Hi EisaCurry, is the link up again? I couldn't find it. Without hearing you, I could say that you seem to be struggling with your bridge/passaggio. May I ask if you have been training with a vocal coach or singing method? If you are in fact stuck at your bridge, you may have to work on the notes between D4-G4 making them the foundation for the higher notes, and most importantly the passaggio notes, where you need to do some modifications (e.g. vowel modifications, resonance shifts, etc) in order to go through your passaggio.

May I humbly suggest you to post vocalizes or sirens of other vowels (besides "u") too, and even maybe pieces of songs you might be having trouble with. Cheers