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  • VOCAL TRAINING PROGRAMS   21 members have voted

    1. 1. Which popular training program below that you have used before, would you recommend?

      • TVS - The Four Pillars of Singing
      • Complete Vocal Technique
      • KTVA
      • Breaking The Chains
      • Singing Success
      • Estill (EVTS)
      • Speech Level Singing
      • Other Programs Not Mentioned

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    • Hi guys I was wondering if anyone here was familiar with the Roger Kain Complete Guide to tough vocals book and CD?  I've been doing his exercises pretty much everyday for almost a year now and have noticed a big difference in my voice.  I was wondering if anyone could help me understand something a little bit more. He has an exercise which he calls the male Quiet mixed head voice, which starts in falsetto and descends on a major scale on a legato Koo sound. Halfway down the scale you switch from falsetto into your quiet natural voice. The switch then happens earlier and earlier until a certain point where you then do the whole scale in your quiet natural voice till the end. It apparently is designed to create a beautiful mix of the natural and falsetto voices.  He calls this exercise "the great problem solver" and also the most reliable way to unlock your higher register and increase your range. What I'm puzzled about is the highest note this exercise hits in natural voice is a G#4. So how could it possibly open up the notes above that?  Apparently the exercise is hundreds of years old, so those who aren't familiar with the Roger Kain book might still know what this exercise is all about. In the glossary he refers to the quiet mixed voice as messa voce. But when I've looked that term up, it seems to mean volume swelling of notes rather than what this exercise is.  Anyway, I'd love to know if anyone could shed some light on this for me! thanks Sid    
    • Yo! All my fellow singing geeks! I came across the article I've linked here (below video).  I thought it is was very well written (a quick read), and includes a couple comments by Justin Stoney (coach most of us probably know from Youtube). I have read & posted in our "techniques" forum regarding so called "Natural Singers," percentages of the population who are or are not, training, and etc.   Hope this helps lend some clarity to the matter(s).   article - Singing Tips: Have A Certain Skull Shape, And Other Science Behind Carrying A Tune http://www.medicaldaily.com/singing-tips-have-certain-skull-shape-and-other-science-behind-carrying-tune-308372      
    • you are welcome guys!!   "I am assuming as well it is possible to belt or have a belting sound with the mixed voice as well? " exactly, you just have to use more volume and redirect the vowel to its open counterpart   think on working your mixed voice like just extending your chest/speaking voice, you have the same possibilities as when you speak in regards to lowering or raising your volume, and thats exactly how it has to feel all over your range!
    • So since this is basically a "journal" per say - i saw some other posts and they had their progress which was pretty cool. I don't think i'll be posting audios anytime soon but i can update atleast on some things that happened right after i had this discussion in this thread.

      Now, it wasn't directly related to anything anyone said here, it has more to do with what i said here " Looks like i need to start forgetting what i learned from those other programs and just start from complete scratch through T4P method. I was trying to fuse some stuff from other programs with T4P, and i guess that's not the best idea. Or if anything i should evaluate what causes possible conflict with T4P and remove it accordingly."

      I changed my vocal routine, adjusted my "priorities", basically i feel my routine had some exercises and such that were giving me great results (aside from TVS) so i was giving more priority to such. Which now it seems it was indeed a mistake. Now to be fair, i was still improving in some way almost every single day. But with this "adjusted" priorities - i mean - basically giving much more focus to T4P. It's way better. I was giving it in my opinion a good amount of focus and repetition already, but obviously not enough.

      I think i mentioned already above that i'm reckless when it comes to practicing, i pretty much practice all day honestly. And before although i was improving, i was getting fatigued fairly often. I still haven't had long to properly test this new routine, but i can certainly say that just yesterday (being the first day of trying it). As opposed to my previous routine which i always felt like something was missing, it just felt like my voice was not responding completely so i was giving it rest days, and i started re-valuating my priorities (which included breathing which is what drove me to make the post, and i am also giving that more priority now).

      It feels like my voice started warming up much faster, getting clarity, stability, agility, texture, stamina, consistency (which is something i struggle with a bit)).

      It was a great feeling. So far today it looks to be going great again, it's a great feeling to feel like you can actually hear as your voice warms up and gets stronger pretty fast. Before giving T4P more priority/practice time i felt like my voice was just inconsistent.

      Obviously it's just the 2nd day of re-adjusting, but it feels permanent.

      Funny thing is i did it right the first couple of weeks (giving it enough time) but then i felt like i didn't want to feel like "i wasted my money on other programs" so i started trying to balance the other techniques with T4P. And odd things started happening, still improving, but way slower. And of course as i mentioned voice getting fatigued and being inconsistent.

      I guess this foolish experience of mine just serves as an example of, if you're not getting results from T4P, you must certainly be doing something wrong. In this case for me, i was getting results, but not to the complete extent capable because of lack of practice time given to such. Which the thing is, i was still giving about rougly an hour to it. But giving it more certainly amplified results. And besides, to be fair i understand the T4P concepts better now than at the start, as well as the routine is more natural as opposed to having to constantly watch videos again to "grasp it" better or remind myself for safety or reassurance that i'm doing it right.

      I'm currently doing Breathing exercises, FBR, Integrated Routines (Mostly Onsets on Melodic 5ths aka what Robert does in his demonstrations). And then i do my other stuff, which btw, T4P seems to enhance the effects of my other preferred exercises aside from T4P. Which is really cool.

      I might update further, but hopefully just that gives some insight to anyone that goes through a similar situation. Yes i'm quite the ranter i know.

      Wish this foolish soul luck.

      (i will certainly review the program eventually, just want to experience it completely before i do so i can have much more to say aka do it justice)
    • Damn James Lugo, you are a badass!!  Fantastic voice!  You are the first vocal coach I have heard that is even close to Tamplin!  Keep up the good work.  I live in NC.  You make the state proud.