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    My original post didn't make it to the new forum. Thanks for your input. I rerecorded this with some of your suggestions. I think the first recording was a little better. (because of my performance Not your suggestions).    Any comments welcome.       

One more thing to add.... The vowel choice and interpretation is yours for your reasons. What you sang was strong throughout. Good pitch, Good tone...The accent was good also..... These vowel mods are to give you more choices and help you grow as a singer, not to say that how you sang the song was wrong in a anyway.

Some vowels have a high back of tongue and direct more air to the nasal passage. Some have a low back of tongue and direct the air more into and out of the mouth. In this song you are sing "Wh-ih-n Y-oo Told M-ee, Yoo D-ih-d n't N-ee-d......." Paul is singing "W-Eh-n Y-ah T-oh-ld m-eh Y-ah d-eh-d n't...." Your version gives a narrow sound....Pauls gives a Wider sound. But .... some voices are more comfortable with the narrow sound and some are more comfortable with the wider sound. IH resonates more in the upper passage. Ah resonates more in the lower. I am not a teacher. So my explaination may not be exactly what is going on but the idea is the same.

Thanks Clint. That is one of the first songs I learned to play and sing. That could also be why I have a similer tone. :D

Yes, that is the real me in the avatar. I guess not being able to sing Aerosmith has saved my voice from an early distruction. :/ But I am still working on it. Hey, are you saying I look old? :mad: :cool: I usually start by Playing and singing and then rerecording the parts separate from that point. Wild World was one take playing and singing at the same time.

Thanks Clint, I had thought that was what got me in trouble on the first recording(at least with my tone). Bringing a little more of my personality and expression into the higher phrase "Some say Love, It is a hunger..." and I thought I was adding a bit of angst and forcefulness into "When the Night...." Guess it didn't come through. So the second time I tried to stay focused and consistent. It is a crap shoot until you hit on the correct ingredient. I will work on it.

Thanks Clint and Yes, I understand the boredom of a repeating rhythm. But this is a singers forum so I just made a guitar track as something to sing to. Also for this song the excitement is not in the melody line but the building harmonies. The lead melody stays the same throughout the song. I was going to add a distorted electric guitar lead for the missing extra harmonies and the excitement but after flubbing 10 attempts I decided to just post what i had and get feed back on the singing itself. The distorted electric guitar rhythm was also because I planned for the guitar lead as high harmony for the third verse. Good call on the bordom thing. If that is what is missing then that is the info I need. I have been backing myself with simple rhythms just to get feedback on the singing.

It is not the mixing and it is not a bad sound. It is just a different sound than I am used to for this song. It may just be a difference in the type of rasp between you and Mr. McCartney. If I wasn't so familier with the Beatles version I wouldn't have noticed anything. I don't believe it is an issue with your singing. The issue is my perception of the song.

I tried this again. It is apparent that something was off in the first draft. An undefinable tone issue? Being that the only responce that I received was was from Ronws I must conclude that it was not worthy to even comment on from the masses. Thank you Ronws for your honesty. That gives you the Creds for when you do say good job on something you mean it. Here is another take. Responces good or bad appreciated and any more clues to what may have gone wrong with the first recording or this one will be helpful.

I kind of liked it.(Too used to the Beatles) The low end was great. The high parts sounded good but alittle too edgy for me(just an opinion, personal taste thing) Maybe gear the vowels a little more towards Eh instead of Ih. Wh-eh-n ya told Meh... Again just an opinion. You were nice and solid throughout. I did not really hear any Pitch problems. I am just too used to hearing the Beatles. Good job over all. :cool:

When I say people start the phrase too low, I am not meaning by a big leap. That phrase must be out of the natural scale for the rest of the song. It starts just one or two notes above where most people try to sing it. It is elusive but you will get it.

For some reason most people get stuck on the same part in this "I hope you don't mind". People tend to trip themselves up starting too low on that phrase. When you came back in on "How wonderful Life is" you were spot on, so I do not think it was because you cannot sing those notes on "Hope you don't mind". Keep singing, It takes learning how to listen to yourself and the music at the same time.

Style is one thing to consider and Vowels are modified for one reason or another. There are many singers who I do not like because I can not understand what they are singing because the vowels are modified to the extent of them all being the same. But, something is tripping me up, so someone pointing out that my O's and A's sound funny is a benifit to me. Ronws helped me out alot by letting me know that my Ah sounded more like an A as in cat because of my accent. I have a somewhat southern Hillbilly accent. I always thought that I was pronouncing words the same as what I hear on the average american TV show but evedently I have a southern Drawl combined with local dialect. In other words I sound funny. :D

Thanks Clint, I always struggle with my O's. They drift towards a w and I haven't been able to break that yet. Thanks for pointing those out. Sometimes I can tell something is a little funny but can not pinpoint it myself.

Sounds good. :)

Thanks Marcus and Gneetapp, I didn't mean to give the impression that I never sang this before. :/ It is just that I hit the record and winged it without thinking. Maybe I should have done that with The Rose. :P

:) With "Shine" Dolly's version and Collective Souls', there were other people giving input to what works and what does not. That is what we are doing here. Only it is not immediate and in person. Some one to say "Dolly, lose that electric guitar you are trying to put in there and get yourself a Banjo player." ..... Maybe I should've played my Banjo? :o

Thanks Ronws. I really did think about trying to emulate what the BEATLES would do with this.(that was not this recording though) I dropped the Key from C to A to better fit my range. Bay actually raised the key from C to C#. I did not know that Kris wrote this. I think I will try to find a version of him singing it to see what his interpretation was. Maybe I will record this one more time and just wing it my way (without thinking about it too much) and see what happens. Any other thoughts?

Thanks Adolph, This is my "go to" song when I am fooling around just for fun.

Just fooling around on this one. First and only runthrough. Any tips or comments welcome.

I finally had a few minutes to record a little bit. Let me know what you think. Any comments or tips appreciated.

Awesome. :)

Sounds good. Smooth, Resonant, Warm, Wonderful. :)

There is a recent thread in the technique section that should make things clear as mud. :/

Sounds good Ronws. :)