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   Thanks,   It really helps when you do wake up Sunday morning with no way to hold your head that doesn't hurt.    One of my biggest problems with singing is applying some technique and still making it sound natural. I could do things with my voice to make more of a Johnny Cash sound but it comes out sounding fake, but those are some of the things you are supposed to do. Like opening the throat more, applying more compression, Twang, Vowel mods and such........    This is very close to my speaking sound and range. I did darken a little and add a little more pressure just to be a louder but that is about it.

   I like the song, It kind of gets too you after awhile. Lou started screwing up towards the end and started singing on pitch(almost). I new someone who wrote songs like that. I never new if he was actually tone deaf or if he did it on purpose as part of his "Art". I would get kind of sea sick listening to him. He definitely got an emotional response from me. Maybe not what he was after. Then again maybe that was what he wanted.

    Adon was a member before the new forum change. Some members here pre ordered a cd of his and he is just giving info to those members. This is not an advertisement to sell his new CD. Just getting in contact with those that have been waiting for it.

 I made a post for Avatars in the tutorials section. I think mine is the first post after the main help topics. I tried to copy and paste it here but it did not work.   I think you have made a lot of progress and I am glad that you are still playing and working on it. Your guitar playing has improved also. Look up Thom Bresh, Merle Travis and Tommy Emmanuel on Youtube. You will not be disappointed. 

Sounds good Bluesguy.   You have improved a great deal since you started here. I did not hear any pitch problems and your tone is solid.    I would still like to hear something a little higher with an upbeat feel but you are settling in nicely with this laid back thing you are doing.    You should record some of the first songs you posted here and listen to the difference in your voice.    It is not that you really sound different but your tone and pitch are more solid now.

   Robert makes some good points. This is sung by a female and you are singing an octave lower than she is which brings the song too low for you. You are basically speaking this. Find a song that you can match the range and timber of the original singer. It will be easier for you to check your pitch against theirs.  I find it easier to access a singing voice when not in speaking range. It takes more energy and gets you out of speaking habits. After getting control of some basics then you will be able to start singing in speaking or below speaking range with more energy and control.

     On OOH Baby,Baby you sounded much better than the females singing. Your pitch is pretty good and I like your sound. I can't give much advice except to keep singing.

   Thanks Bono, This was a kind of test for me. I wanted to use the same Key as Johnny Cash just to see if I could. I started by playing and singing in the Key of G and the notes were kind of OK. Then I checked and found out that Johnny is playing in G# a semitone higher that what I thought to begin with.    If I keep this in my gig bag I will start playing it in Bb or C.

    Thanks for listening guys,      Thanks Killer, I will give that a shot. I have always been aware that I lack mid range(EQ wise) and have tried to boost it by several means.      When you say open and round are you suggesting at the root of the tongue and back wall of throat or wide at the cheeks and back of mouth.      It is something to play with. I imitate several Cartoon characters that are in that low range "Bulwinkle,Yogi Bear, Yosemite Sam, Fat albert.... But even those chacters do not have a full mid range sound.....Fat Albert even though he is low and loud makes use of high larynx and low soft palate to amplify the mid range and Yosemite is more of a false fold distortion thing. Most of my sound references and voice work come from imitating characters. Singing voices always gave me trouble when trying to match them.    Ronws, You always give me good advice even if you have to give me bad news like I sucked or something. So thank you for that.    I have managed an A2 by frying an A3 and slowing the closed phase until they synchronize. At some point the voice will drop and A2 will become the fundamental. Pretty cool when it happens.

      I just thought I would give this a shot.  This proves that I am no Baritone even if I can croak a D#2.      I tried once or twice to sing a little thicker like Johnny but it just came out dopey sounding so I did it the way I felt it.      Any Comments welcome.        

    Loved your voice on this..... I always try to sing this like Leon Redbone....Low sleepy and mellow......     I like the upbeat and happy feel of this with your voice.

      Sounds good Ronws. your guitar playing has improved a lot also.  I do not think you were overly nasal, I think it is an artifact of your physiology,  not a misuse of it (I am trying bigger words  ).      I can hear a marked improvement of your over all sound. Keep up the good work.

     Crickets chirping.......been there.   Years ago....Decades ago....I was in a band playing at a graduation party, the band was not ready yet so I thought I would go ahead sing a few acoustic songs......Crickets....... After I was finished several of the people pulled me aside and whispered "I really enjoyed that". I was thinking "Why the *&^% couldn't you clap or something when I was up there? I felt like a fool.  And why did you have to whisper it now?"   So just because crickets are chirping does not mean that no one enjoyed it.

    I am also one who may give out a good job to a somewhat less than stellar performance. I also try to take into account  what problems the poster has had in the past and where he/she is now. Sometimes an awesome tone or delivery will make up for a few bum notes. These are usually for the ones who do not have a polished sound and backing track.      And, I would be more critical of one who does have a polished sound and backing track. Why? because the stakes are higher. They are entering the professional stage.     I cannot say that I am qualified to give advice or critique a sound, performance or song style because I would give a bad review for most of the things I hear on the radio today.....From all genres.  Then again that does not mean that my opinion is not valid because a lot of people that I know feel the same way.    To answer the question of why do people post here? For myself I know I have problems. If knew how to spot them myself or how to correct them I wouldn't feel the need to be here. But there are others who feel the need to validate their progress. Which also leads back to why I would give a good job to a less than stellar performance......Validating progress. Going from having 50 bum notes to 10 bum notes is progress which in some cases truly deserves a good job.

    I know we are only supposed to be concerned about tone and pitch resonance and ease of singing.....All that technical stuff. In your case that sounds really good.     My opininion as a listener tells me that you are trying to have a southern accent to match Kris or Johnny Cash. It does not sound natural. Your voice has the right timbre and ring to it so you do have to TRY to do anything. Sing the song as if YOU are telling the story.    This is only my opinion which does not amount to a hill of beans. I am one person out of one million.

    You wouldn't even have to change the way you sang this, just a change in perspective would be enough. The voices sound different enough from each other that they sound imitated(not the best word and not bad imitations either).     Just like you mapped out in the above post, the different sections are different aspects of your personality. Instead of taking on the voice of the other singer let that aspect of your personality take over. It just seems to me that it would make the song more fluid and it would work with one singer singing the whole song. Like I said earlier it is a mental change not a physical change(the mental change will manifest in the physical sound).    None of this takes away from your original performace. It was pretty freakin' good.  

    I like this. Can I make a suggestion?(I'm going to anyway ) I know this song is performed by the whole band, each singing their part, My suggestion is for you to sing it not trying to sound like different people singing those different parts. It seems to me the the song would work that way. Different aspects of the same personality. Keep all the highs and lows just do not try to change timbre to sound like a different person.

   Thanks Ronws, I think I am going to play with this a little more over the next few days. I will send you an Mp3 or the Audacity Project file to mix when I am finished.    I am trying a few new things with my voice to fix my Timbre. This seems like a good song to work with. Speaking of that...Do you hear the same thing that I do...Bass and Treble but no mid frequencies to speak of in my voice?

    Thanks for listening Killer.  The vocals getting lost is from the way I have to transfer to computer. I am recording on an obsolete digital recorder, recording to audacity through the mic jack on the computer then exporting to Mp3 three file and then uploading to soundcloud. In each of these steps the mix gets changed through the other programs defaults. The Bass gets boosted each time and the treble gets cut.   I wouldn't want you try to match the timbre of my voice. I don't want it either but you make due with what you have. The sound is like having the bass and treble on 10 and the mids on 0. It plays hell on a PA.   As for the Baba O'Reily There is a limited amount of rhythm riffs you can come up with. Most of the time a basic rhythm is covered up by a different drum pattern or Bass line and it will mask it a little. Alice Coopers' "Be my Lover" is the same rhythm Pattern/Riff on the Verse 1,5,4 The only difference is that "Be My Lover" goes to the Low 5 instead of the High 5.

    I once had a moment of Vocal freedom, It started with this song while driving down the highway. I thought I would try to capture the muse again and see if I can tame it this time.    It didn't work...... But I do hear improvement.    Any comments welcome.           

    About the Young man in an Old mans body.... I feel your pain. Just had a birthday and now I have been on this earth more than half a century.  One of my vocal challenges is trying to make my voice not sound like a teenager when singing. People talk about rockers blowing out their voice before 30. I am still working on getting my voice strong enough to sing Aerosmith and Foreigner. Maybe by the time I am 60 I will have my voice sounding like Steven Tyler when he was 18.

    Pretty Cool Ronws, Did you sing the vocals after you had the rest in place? I usually sing a scatch vocal track while setting down the rhythm guitar to get the timing right. After the rest is in place I resing the vocal track with all the rockin' guitars and stuff. It makes a difference when you get to let loose.    Keep them coming.

   I hate to break it to you but you did not sound like Willy on "My heroes have always been Cowboys".    You still sounded awesome.  I guess Queensryche and Country can mix. Great job.

   Sorry it took so long to give this a listen. Sounds great. Awesome vocals.

   Sounded real good guys, Robert, I really liked the sound of your voice in this. It had a nice flow to it. (Vocal Fluidity, for Silent Lucidity).  Pretty cool MrLoud.    Ronws, Your low notes are actually more solid than mine. Even though I speak around G2 I cannot sing it solid(I should be speaking around C3, old habits).